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Hopi elders remote view UFO benevolent intervention in 2012

 
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Hopi Elders RV -
See ET Saving
World In 2012
By N.K. Subramanium
Special Correspondent
India Daily
3-21-5


Remote viewing is nothing new in Hopi tribes. For thousands of years remote viewing in the middle of other spiritual activities have dominated Hopi culture. What some american tourists came to learn from a few Hopi tribes under the current Elders´ rule is extremely alarming and fascinating.

According to these tourists remote viewers are seeing world powers in the course of self-destruction. They also see that the world will not be destroyed. Between now and 2012 the world super powers will continue to engage in regional wars. Terrorism and covert war will be the main problem. In world politics something will happen in and around 2010. At that time the world powers will threaten to destroy each other.

Between 2010 and 2012, the whole world will get polarized and prepare for the ultimate dooms day. Heavy political maneuvers and negotiations will take place with little progress.

In 2012, the world will start plunging into a total destructive nuclear war.

And at that time something remarkable will happen, says, Hopi elder of Southwest. Supernatural divine powers will intervene. The destiny of the world is not to self-destruct at this time.

Scientific interpretation of the Hopi statements makes it evident that the Extra Terrestrial powers are watching us every step of the way. They will intervene in 2012 and save the world from self-destruction.

When asked about recent UFO sightings in USA and Mexico, the elders smiled and said the divine powers are watching us all. Mankind cannot and will not be allowed to alter the future to that great extent.

Every human being though their current acts in life called Fate can alter the future lives to some extent, but changing the destiny in that large extent will not be allowed to that great an extent.

Elders also mentioned that beyond 2012 our current civilization would understand that the final frontier of science and technology is in area of spirituality and not material physics and chemistry. Beyond 2012, out technologies will take a different direction. People will learn the essence of spirituality, the relation between body and the soul, the reincarnation and the fact we are connected with each other are all part of God.

In America and Mexico UFO sightings have increased in many folds. Many say the American and Mexican Governments are being contacted by the Extra Terrestrials.

In recent days most UFO activities have been seen in those countries who have indigenously developed Nuke capabilities.

When asked if these extra-terrestrials will show up in reality in 2012, the answers remote viewers are giving is: they will reveal themselves in such a way that none of us scared. They will reveal themselves only if they have to. As our science and technology progresses, we are destined to see them and interact with them any way.

According to the remote viewers, our earth is blessed and is being saved continuously from all kinds of hazards all the time that we are not even aware of. As our technologies progress we will realize how external forces saved us.
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Ah, i suggest you look at some of the previous threads before you repost this shit. Being a robot i thought you would of caught this.
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And so they are still as deceived as they have ever been.

Spirituallity without the dictates of God is a no-go and is demon worship. Same thing that got the american indians over-run to begin with.
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So, Idol, I guess the Illuminati´s agenda has changed? They decided they needed to throw us a bone? Well, you´re out of date, guy. the leap, (timeline split) thanks the Illuminati´s messing with the grid, is now no later than 2006. We don´t have the luxury of 2012 anymore.

Tell you what, if you find that you are still here and it looks the same to you in 2007, you ain´t livin´ on earth any more. You´ve gone on the timeline of the Phantom Earth. So you´ll be talking to ghosts, and they will all agree with you. Now won´t that be nice?

Enjoy your Annunaki masters. They make dumb and dumber look smart.
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The dumbest thing the Anunnaki ever did was to turn Earth over to the humans.

Without divine rule men revert to barbarism.
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"Ah, i suggest you look at some of the previous threads before you repost this shit. Being a robot i thought you would of caught this."

Are you sure it has been posted?
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I have read the above article before, but not on this site. In fact, I do not recall any discussion about Hopi elders on GLP recently.
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HOPI
Did you know that tornadoes have been spotted, for the first time in history, that are spinning the wrong way?

Did you know that there are places in Mexico where the ground temperature is heating up in excess of 200 degrees?

Did you know that during a seven day period in early June there were 772 earthquakes recorded on the California - Nevada border near Mammoth Lake? (Gordon Michele Scallion and others are predicting a volcanic eruption there this summer.)

Did you know that on May 31st, the jet stream (an extremely fast wind current that flows through the upper atmosphere) touched ground for the first time in recorded history?

Did you know that all over North America, migratory birds have stopped returning to their nesting grounds? And that salmon are no longer returning to their spawning grounds? And indigenous tribes throughout the world have stopped having children?
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"HOPI
Did you know that tornadoes have been spotted, for the first time in history, that are spinning the wrong way? "

>>>>>>>>Not true - they can and always have ( rarely in the northern hemisphere ) spun " the wrong way ". Which hemispere you taking about?.

"Did you know that there are places in Mexico where the ground temperature is heating up in excess of 200 degrees?"

>>>>>>>> Not possible due to solely to solar insolation... but maybe due to tectonic heating ( Yellowstone ).

"Did you know that on May 31st, the jet stream (an extremely fast wind current that flows through the upper atmosphere) touched ground for the first time in recorded history?"

>>>>>>> Again not possible ( I´m a Meteorologist ) ... By definition the Jet stream is a wind that occurs at altitude and is produced by thermal contrast acting over a wide area within airmasses - then Coriolis forces acts on that air movement to turn the jets to the right ( in the northern hemisphere - the left in the southern ). The stronger the thermal contrast the stronger the wind/jet. All winds at surface and boundary-layer level are a product of pressure differential and have friction acting upon them.
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you so silly, idol.
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Indiadaily is not a legitimate web site site at all. It is a fake news web site, even it´s entertainment stories(like porn in Bollywood and Britney in Bollywood) are fabricated. No names of sources for the UFO stories are ever given. In fact, it is a NSA-assisted front providing false news stories mixed in with genuine ones that are then circulated over the internet as though they were genuine. It is a psy-op that feed gullible people like most of you invented reports and false information in order to control how you think towards aliens and towards the likelihood of governmental dislosure of their existence here on Earth.

Idol1 dance Idol1: alienship:
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LOL.
I thought idol is only on debunking of such stories.
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I think intervention of some sort will occur at some point prior to the time when genetic research, or artificial intelligence research, develop methods for creating unlimited intelligence. Assuming that "black technology" is a fiction, and extrapolating known development trends, I´d say that point would be less than 50 years away.
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No this has not been posted before, here at GLP at least.

They are already watching us! This was the statement which convinced me that this story has something of truth. I would not have given the article more attention if they would have denied this.

I have seen these crafts with their unbelievable flying maneuvers mor than once!
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our earth is blessed and is being saved continuously from all kinds of hazards all the time<

As long as this does not interfere with the eventual dictatorship of the Proletariat, I have nothing against it.
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What´s it going to take to get you to realize that this stuff is DEMONIC.

If you buy this garbage, then you DESERVE the deception that will prove to be your undoing.
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"this stuff is DEMONIC."

So you want the earth to be destroyed?
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Hey Friar...

What exactly do you mean by that?
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Marxist Theory

What is the Dictatorship of the Proletariat?

The fundamental difference between reformists and centrists of all varieties on the one hand, and revolutionary Marxists, i.e., Bolshevik-Leninists, on the other regarding the conquest of state power, the need for a socialist revolution, the nature of the proletarian state, and the meaning of the dictatorship of the proletariat does not lie in defense of a multiparty system by the former and a one-party system by the latter. Nor does it lie in defense of unrestricted democratic freedoms by the former and defense of severe restriction, or even suppression, of democratic freedoms by the latter. Any attempt to identify the difference between reformists and revolutionists primarily in this way distorts the basic lessons of three~quarters of a century of historical experiences with revolutions and counterrevolutions and objectively represents a grave concession to reformism itself.

The fundamental differences between reformists and revolutionary Marxists on the key issue of state power consist of:

a. The clear recognition by revolutionary Marxists of the class nature of all states and of the state apparatus as an instrument for maintaining class rule.

b. The illusion upheld by the reformists that "democracy" or "democratic state institutions" stand above classes and the class struggle.

c. The clear recognition by revolutionary Marxists that the state apparatus and state institutions of even the most democratic bourgeois state serve to uphold the power and rule of the capitalist class and cannot be instruments with which to overthrow that rule and transfer power from the capitalist class to the working class.

d. The clear recognition by revolutionary Marxists, flowing from these considerations, that the conquest of power by the working class requires the destruction of the bourgeois state apparatus, in the first place of the repressive apparatus of the bourgeoisie.

e. The necessary conclusion drawn by revolutionary Marxists as a consequence: that the working class can exercise state power only within the framework of state institutions of a type different from those of the bourgeois state, state institutions arising out of´ sovereign and democratically elected and centralized workers councils (soviets), with the fundamental characteristics outlined by Lenin in State and Revolution - the election of all functionaries, judges, leaders of the workers or workers and peasants militias, and all delegates representing the toilers in state institutions; regular rotation of elected officials; restriction of their income to that of skilled workers; the right to recall them at any time; parallel exercise of legislative and executive power by soviet-type institutions; radical reduction of the number of permanent functionaries and greater and greater transfer of administrative functions to bodies run by the toilers.

In other words, a qualitative growth of direct democracy as contrasted to indirect, representative democracy. As Lenin said, the workers state is the first state in human history that upholds the rule of the majority of the population against exploitative and oppressed minorities. "Instead of the special institutions of a privileged minority (privileged officialdom, the chiefs of the standing army), the majority itself can directly fulfill all these functions, and the more the functions of a state power are performed by the people as a whole, the less need there is for the existence of this power." ("State and Revolution," Collected Works, Vol. 25, pp. 419-420) Thus, the dictatorship of the proletariat is nothing other than a workers democracy. It is in this sense that the dictatorship of the proletariat begins to wither away almost from its inception.

The concept of the dictatorship of the proletariat, which summarizes all these points, is a basic part of the Marxist theory of the state, of the proletarian revolution, and of the process toward building a classless society. The word "dictatorship" has a concrete meaning in that context.´ it is a mechanism for the disarmament and expropriation of the bourgeois class and the exercise of state power by the working class, a mechanism to prevent any reestablishment of private property in the means of production and thus any reintroduction of the exploitation of wage-earners by capitalists. But it in no way means dictatorial rule over the vast majority of people. The founding congress of the Communist International stated explicitly that "proletarian dictatorship is the forcible suppression of the resistance of the exploiters, i.e., an insignificant minority of the population, the landowners and capitalists. It follows that proletarian dictatorship must inevitably entail not only a change in democratic forms and institutions, generally speaking, but precisely such a change as provides an unparalleled extension of the actual enjoyment of democracy by those oppressed by capitalism-the toiling classes. . . . all this implies and presents to the toiling classes, i.e., the vast majority of the population, greater practical opportunities for enjoying democratic rights and liberties than ever existed before, even approximately, in the best and the most democratic bourgeois republics." ("Theses and Report on Bourgeois Democracy and the Dictatorship of the Proletariat," Lenin, Collected Works, vol.28, pp.464.465)

Against the now avowedly programmatic revisionism of many Communist parties and centrist formations, the Fourth International defends these classical concepts of Marx and Lenin. A socialist society is not possible without the collective ownership of the means of production and the social surplus product, economic planning and administration by the working class as a whole through democratically centralized workers councils, i.e., planned self-rnanagement by the toilers. No such socialization is possible unless the capitalists are economically and politically expropriated and state power is wielded by the working class.

Especially after the tragic Chilean experience, which confirmed so many previous lessons of history, the Kautskian reformist concept now defended by the so-called Eurocommunist parties, the Japanese CP, and several other CPs as well as centrist formations, according to which the labor movement can fully attain its goals within the framework of bourgeois-parliamentary institutions through reliance on parliamentary elections and gradual conquest of "positions of power" within these institutions, must be energetically opposed and denounced for what it is: a cover-up for abandonment of the struggle for the conquest of state power by the proletariat; a cover-up for abandonment of the struggle for the expropriation of the bourgeoisie, for abandonment of a policy of consistent defense of the class interests of the working class; a substitution of ever more systematic class collaboration with the bourgeoisie for the policy of consistent class struggle, and, flowing therefrom, a growing tendency to capitulate to the class interests of the bourgeoisie at moments of decisive economic, political, and social crisis. Far from reducing the costs of "social transformation" or from ensuring a peaceful, albeit slower, transition to socialism, this policy, if it should decisively determine the political attitude of the toilers in a period of unavoidable overall class confrontation, can only lead to bloody defeats and mass slaughters of the German, Spanish, and Chilean type.

From the Fourth Interntional´s 1985 resolution "Socialist Democracy and the Dictatorship of the Proletariat".

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Quote:

"So you want the earth to be destroyed?"

What I "want" is of no consequence. But I definitely am looking forward to the new earth. It will be like Eden, only better.

The present earth is passing away. And while I am not happy that it has come to this, there is not a damn thing that any human or "alien ET" can do to stop it. Being told that "they" can, is a demonic LIE, hatched from the father of lies.

Look... there is only ONE WAY out of this mess. I don´t expet you to believe it, but I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever. The offer is open to all who hunger for righteousness.

Take it or leave it.


But do SOMETHING soon. He´s coming. A few more things must be fulfilled, but He´s coming soon!
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I am what I read.
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our assumtion includes that God gave space travel technology only tothe evils.
This is most illogical to me.

And how do you think Jesus would come here? By clouds?
Sorry this is naive.
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Sorry:
Your assumtion ...
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Quote:

"our assumtion includes that God gave space travel technology only tothe evils.
This is most illogical to me.
And how do you think Jesus would come here? By clouds?
Sorry this is naive."


Naive, only in your mind.

Of course there is space travel in other UNFALLEN worlds. But God will certainly not allow contact will this sin-filled FALLEN world, by others of His vast creation. This planet is QUARANTINED, until it is made new.

You are falling for the deceptions of evil men, as well as malevolent fallen beings (angels). We were repeatedly WARNED about this in the BILLION bibles available all over the world.


You ask if Jesus will come here "by clouds"??

Funny you should ask. If you only knew the scriptures, you would be able to answer your own question.

If you call ME "naive", then you are actually calling the Prophets, Jesus, His disciples, and Apostles naive.

If you wish to place your "faith" in men, and the demonic realm, that´s OK by me. Kind of a shame though.

Sorry if I do not argue with you any further. The scriptures admonish me not to argue with those who speak much, of what they know not.
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This cannot be the same Hopi´s who claimed the end was last summer then last fall then last winter!

It must be the Hopi´s who claimed they knew something but they couldnt tell anyone else, RIGHT?
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SETI Scientists See
Extra Terrestrial Powers
Saving the World in 2012
By Robert Folrgan
Special Correspondent
March 19, 2002

Enlightened speculation is nothing new in the field of the Search for Extraterrestrial Inteligence (SETI). For decades, theories about extraterrestrial intent have dominated this scientific culture which uses strict scientific protocols to explore the fringes of science. What some visiting journalists came to learn from a few high-tech SETI investigators in New Mexico is extremely alarming and fascinating.

According to these journalists, SETI scientists such as Dr. Steven Greer are observing and charting world powers in the course of self-destruction. They also see that the world will not be destroyed. Between now and 2012 the world super powers will continue to engage in regional wars. Terrorism and covert war will be the main problem. In world politics something will happen in and around 2010. At that time the world powers will threaten to destroy each other.

Between 2010 and 2012, the whole world will get polarized and prepare for the ultimate dooms day. Heavy political maneuvers and negotiations will take place with little progress.

In 2012, the world will start plunging into a total destructive nuclear war.

And at that time something remarkable will happen, says SETI expert, Dr. Seth Shostak. Highly advanced non-terrestrial powers will intervene. The destiny of the world is not to self-destruct at this time.

Scientific interpretation of the researchers´ statements makes it evident that the Extra Terrestrial powers are watching us every step of the way. They will intervene in 2012 and save the world from self-destruction.

When asked about recent UFO sightings in India and China, the researchers smiled and said the extraterrestrials watch us all without the need for clumsy UFOs. But the result is clear, mankind cannot and will not be allowed to alter the future to that great extent.

The SETI researchers also mentioned that beyond 2012 our current civilization would understand that the final frontier of science and technology is in area of trans-dimensionality and not material physics and chemistry. Beyond 2012, out technologies will take a different direction. People will learn the basics of multi-dimensional physics, the relation between mind and matter, and the fact we are connected with a vast network of interstellar intelligences.

In India and China UFO sightings have increased in many folds. Many say the Chinese and Indian Governments are being contacted by the Extra Terrestrials.

In recent days most UFO activities have been seen in those countries who have indigenously developed Nuke capabilities.

When asked if these extra-terrestrials will show up in reality in 2012, the answers SETI researchers are giving us is they will reveal themselves in such a way that none of us scared. They will reveal themselves only if they have to. As our science and technology progresses, we are destined to see them and interact with them any way.

According to the researchers, our earth is being monitored and is being saved continuously from all kinds of hazards all the time that we are not even aware of. As our technologies progress we will realize how external forces saved us.
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I fail to believe no one noticed I just replaced "Tibetan monks" with Hopi elders with very little changes. I just wanted to show how easy is to forge a woo-woo story:

Tibetan monks remote view UFO ibenevolent ntervention in 2012

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