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U - moon ("laid back" crescent) shows that position of Sun Earth and Moon has changed- update 2012: PROOF!!!! on page 6, new info on page11

 
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Don't forget the basic 'Wet Moon' moniker....

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im in the uk and noticed it last night

and the moon looked exactly the same as in the 1st posted pics from spaceweather.com

Ive never seen it like that before

was weird as I have always seen it with the crest on the left or right, at a slight angle



Exactly...also that is what we 've learnt in school.
 Quoting: emerald_glow

And you still can. You forget though that you are on a spherical Earth. When the Moon is setting close to the horizon it will appear tilted because you are looking at it in the West from the East. The effect is more pronounced at this time of year because of the angle of its orbit but there is always some perceived tilt. When it is high in the sky you are looking at it in the South (assuming you are in the Northern hemisphere) from the North. If you happen to see the Moon the entire time it is up it will appear to rotate almost 180 degrees. It ISN'T actually rotating. Your view of it IS.

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Try google "Crescent moon paintings"...hundreds of artworks come up, all with tilted crescent, none of the U. Here is a scientific style drawing on the Moon's phases from 1850:
[link to www.art.com]

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We have explanations plenty...all from the present time, none from earlier...for the hundredth time:

Why no one noticed this in the past several-thousand years???????????????????????????????????????????????????

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Ancient Russians Knew of the Cycle of the U Moon....




Arkaim = Cresent Moon = Sickel



Hammer Sickel = Solomon = Idol1


K = 11

B = 2







They dont care*
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People dont giva shi.....baby girl*
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People dont giva shi.....baby girl*
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Some do...that is enough:-)
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We have explanations plenty...all from the present time, none from earlier...for the hundredth time:

Why no one noticed this in the past several-thousand years???????????????????????????????????????????????????

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Do the Hawaiians not count?
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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I have a free program called Stellarium. It shows the moon correctly this evening. Now, the program could be updated remotely with revised data, but that's a pretty tall accusation.

Download the program (it's really fantastic) and see if everything looks okay at your location. Be sure to enter your correct starting location - this makes a big difference.
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Re: U - moon ("laid back" crescent) shows that position of Sun Earth and Moon has changed- update 2012: PROOF!!!! on page 6, new info on page11
We have explanations plenty...all from the present time, none from earlier...for the hundredth time:

Why no one noticed this in the past several-thousand years???????????????????????????????????????????????????


Do the Hawaiians not count?
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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I lived in Hawaii for many years and never heard about this. What you refer to is Wikipedia, not the Hawaiians.
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I have a free program called Stellarium. It shows the moon correctly this evening. Now, the program could be updated remotely with revised data, but that's a pretty tall accusation.

Download the program (it's really fantastic) and see if everything looks okay at your location. Be sure to enter your correct starting location - this makes a big difference.
 Quoting: Mr. Weed 835838


Thank you...Stellarium is a simulation, you know...I have seen the real Moon so many times in my life...

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We have explanations plenty...all from the present time, none from earlier...for the hundredth time:

Why no one noticed this in the past several-thousand years???????????????????????????????????????????????????


Do the Hawaiians not count?
[link to en.wikipedia.org]



I lived in Hawaii for many years and never heard about this. What you refer to is Wikipedia, not the Hawaiians.
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Sure you did. Because just living in a place would automatically expose you to all the obscure mythology. And of course you ignore the other reference on that page to a Cheshire moon which describes the same thing. Lewis Carroll's story not old enough for you? When Wikipedia has good info it can still be a valid source. I can't help that you choose to remain ignorant.

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Re: U - moon ("laid back" crescent) shows that position of Sun Earth and Moon has changed- update 2012: PROOF!!!! on page 6, new info on page11
Yes showed it here also. Never seen it before as a U shape, ever in my 30 years of living lol. And I look at the night sky all the time and moon gaze.

The Ancients prophesy it's the signs of the end of time, the return of the Gods.
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Re: U - moon ("laid back" crescent) shows that position of Sun Earth and Moon has changed- update 2012: PROOF!!!! on page 6, new info on page11
In the meantime I found a possible explanation on an unexpected place:


[link to planetariumweb.madison.k12.wi.us]


It sounds quite credible, except I have never heard this before (I thought I coined the word "U-moon" myself a week ago or so). And never seen a U moon before February 2010, even if according to the above explanation half of every year we see it this way.

What the heck is going on????


that does explain it !


Does it??? Does it explain why nobody ever seen it that way before????
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It's been this way before. I have photographs from 2-3 years ago with crescent on bottom. Happens every year in february/march.
This is nothing new. Why all the concern, really now.
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We have explanations plenty...all from the present time, none from earlier...for the hundredth time:

Why no one noticed this in the past several-thousand years???????????????????????????????????????????????????


Do the Hawaiians not count?
[link to en.wikipedia.org]



I lived in Hawaii for many years and never heard about this. What you refer to is Wikipedia, not the Hawaiians.

Sure you did. Because just living in a place would automatically expose you to all the obscure mythology. And of course you ignore the other reference on that page to a Cheshire moon which describes the same thing. Lewis Carroll's story not old enough for you? When Wikipedia has good info it can still be a valid source. I can't help that you choose to remain ignorant.
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I respect other's insights, but the primary source of knowledge is my own experience
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We have explanations plenty...all from the present time, none from earlier...for the hundredth time:

Why no one noticed this in the past several-thousand years???????????????????????????????????????????????????


Do the Hawaiians not count?
[link to en.wikipedia.org]



I lived in Hawaii for many years and never heard about this. What you refer to is Wikipedia, not the Hawaiians.

Sure you did. Because just living in a place would automatically expose you to all the obscure mythology. And of course you ignore the other reference on that page to a Cheshire moon which describes the same thing. Lewis Carroll's story not old enough for you? When Wikipedia has good info it can still be a valid source. I can't help that you choose to remain ignorant.


I respect other's insights, but the primary source of knowledge is my own experience
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Cripes! What did we all do for knowledge before you had an experience?
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I lived in Hawaii for many years and never heard about this. What you refer to is Wikipedia, not the Hawaiians.
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True none the less....
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They dont care*

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So what ????
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op

that is not the 'shadow of the earth' on the moon you are seeing.

Just the dark side of the moon.

The shadow of the earth falling on the moon only occurs during an eclipse.


The lightened area that makes the rest of the moon visible is basically 'earth light' reflecting the suns rays onto the moon, much as we experience 'moonlight'
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Re: U - moon ("laid back" crescent) shows that position of Sun Earth and Moon has changed- update 2012: PROOF!!!! on page 6, new info on page11
We have explanations plenty...all from the present time, none from earlier...for the hundredth time:

Why no one noticed this in the past several-thousand years???????????????????????????????????????????????????


Do the Hawaiians not count?
[link to en.wikipedia.org]



I lived in Hawaii for many years and never heard about this. What you refer to is Wikipedia, not the Hawaiians.

Sure you did. Because just living in a place would automatically expose you to all the obscure mythology. And of course you ignore the other reference on that page to a Cheshire moon which describes the same thing. Lewis Carroll's story not old enough for you? When Wikipedia has good info it can still be a valid source. I can't help that you choose to remain ignorant.


I respect other's insights, but the primary source of knowledge is my own experience
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So you wish to remain ignorant about something that happens EVERY YEAR and has for millions of years simply because you've never experienced it before?
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[link to upload.wikimedia.org]
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What's your point? You wish to emphasize your ignorance that the tilt is dependent partly on the orbit angle (time of year) and location on Earth? Done. Yes, that shows the correct phases but it doesn't try to show nor can it, the orientation of those phases as they vary based both on time of year and location on Earth. Always have. Just because you are only noticing this now doesn't change that fact.
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Re: U - moon ("laid back" crescent) shows that position of Sun Earth and Moon has changed- update 2012: PROOF!!!! on page 6, new info on page11
I have a free program called Stellarium. It shows the moon correctly this evening. Now, the program could be updated remotely with revised data, but that's a pretty tall accusation.
Download the program (it's really fantastic) and see if everything looks okay at your location. Be sure to enter your correct starting location - this makes a big difference.



Thank you...Stellarium is a simulation, you know...I have seen the real Moon so many times in my life...

These occultation tables are very real, and would be impossible
if the Moon was behaving abnormally. Some of the tables on
the following web site can be found in old books in hundreds
of libraries. In other words many of these tables were
predicted decades in advance:
[link to www.lunar-occultations.com]

Tens of thousands of amateur astronomers all over the world
use those tables every night. If something was amiss we would
hear about it.
 Quoting: DrPostman


It is not necessarily the Moon, Dr.PM...It may be the position or the tilt of axis of the earth...or something different with the Sun. The only thing we can experience directly is a shadow. It can be the light source, it can be the object that casts the shadow, it can be the object that the shadow is casted. Something has changed.
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What's your point? You wish to emphasize your ignorance that the tilt is dependent partly on the orbit angle (time of year) and location on Earth? Done. Yes, that shows the correct phases but it doesn't try to show nor can it, the orientation of those phases as they vary based both on time of year and location on Earth. Always have. Just because you are only noticing this now doesn't change that fact.
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Ok, I leave this thread now but keep coming back every month. Time will tell...
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It is not necessarily the Moon, Dr.PM...It may be the position or the tilt of axis of the earth...or something different with the Sun. The only thing we can experience directly is a shadow. It can be the light source, it can be the object that casts the shadow, it can be the object that the shadow is casted. Something has changed.
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That would be the Sun, the Moon, or the Earth.

(As has been pointed out, the shape of the crescent Moon is not due to a shadow being cast by some external object; it is entirely the result of the angle the sunlight hits the Moon, as seen from the Earth).

The times of rising, setting, equinox, solstice, etc. for the Sun are documented in the same way as tables for the Moon; on paper, on sources that go back up to hundreds of years.

And the motions of the Earth (as if they could be independent of the apparent position of Sun and Moon!) are indirectly documented in navigational tables of the rise time of beacon stars.

None of these three elements could be changed without effects being obvious to millions of people.
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(As has been pointed out, the shape of the crescent Moon is not due to a shadow being cast by some external object; it is entirely the result of the angle the sunlight hits the Moon, as seen from the Earth).

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And as it has been pointed out, we are discussing the BOTTOM CRESCENT only.... :geesh:
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My argument is that nothing has changed....

But there is another pattern of the Crescent Moon we are unaware of....
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My argument is that nothing has changed....

But there is another pattern of the Crescent Moon we are unaware of....
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What do you mean, Sugarelf?
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What's your point? You wish to emphasize your ignorance that the tilt is dependent partly on the orbit angle (time of year) and location on Earth? Done. Yes, that shows the correct phases but it doesn't try to show nor can it, the orientation of those phases as they vary based both on time of year and location on Earth. Always have. Just because you are only noticing this now doesn't change that fact.
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...sooo...in other times of the year, or other parts of the world the Moon has always been laying????

I just know the it has never been like that before. In the 70-es, 80-es lived/visited different parts of the world, watched the sky a lot and it was not like this! And lots of people I know on and off GLP says the same.
This is why I updated this thread after a month passed and ask you all to tell/show pics on what you see.
Thank you
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