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New Chemtrail Poll: Do you believe in Chemtrails?

 
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I just uploaded a slideshow with some photographs taken some days ago:





More will surely follow in a few more days !!!!
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Thanks . . . It does make you feel when the trails are thick that some type of climatic response is inevitable . . . hf
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Some good research references for the future . . .


"Abstract. Condensation trails (contrails) are aircraft induced cirrus clouds, which may persist and grow to large cirrus cover in ice-supersaturated air, and may cause a warming of the atmosphere. This paper describes the formation, occurrence, properties and climatic effects of contrails. The global cover by lined-shaped contrails and the radiative impact of line-shaped contrails is smaller than as- sessed in an international assessment in 1999. Contrails trigger contrail cirrus with far larger coverage than observed for line-shaped contrails, but still unknown radiative properties. Some model simula- tions indicate an impact of particles and particle precursors emitted from aircraft engines on cirrus clouds properties. However, the magnitude of this effect cannot yet be assessed. Contrail formation can be avoided only by flying in sufficiently warm and dry air. The formation of contrail cirrus can be reduced by avoiding flights in ice-supersaturated regions of the atmosphere, e.g. by raising the flight level into the lower-most stratosphere."
[link to aero-net.info]

 "The introduction of more effi- cient aircraft engines does not solve the problem of contrail formation; just the opposite is true, be- cause the threshold temperature increases with increased overall efficiency η of the engines [12]. An increased efficiency η is desirable of course for economic and climate reasons by reducing the fuel consumption and reducing emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2)."

"Contrail-cirrus could generally be avoided if flying slightly higher in the extratropical lowermost stratosphere. Flying higher generally would cause more contrails at lower latitudes and in the tropics [57, 129]. However, for long range traffic in the extratropics, flying a little higher than today, in the lower-most stratosphere just above the tropopause, may be recommendable both under climate and aviation aspects. This option should be considered if contrail cirrus dominates the climate impact by aviation and if the side-effects such as ozone changes are sufficiently small. The stratosphere is usu- ally dry so that formation of contrail cirrus in this region is avoided. Aviation can be performed effi- ciently at such altitudes with the potential for reduced fuel consumption and nitrogen oxides emission. The mid-latitude lower-most stratosphere appears to be only weakly sensitive to ozone changes from nitrogen oxides emitted by aircraft [3, 130]. Some authors point to the potential of ozone loss by chlo- rine activation at contrail and cirrus ice particles in the lowermost stratosphere by heterogeneous chemistry [4, 6, 133, 134]. However, high humidity in the lower-most stratosphere results from trans- port of humid tropospheric air masses into the lower stratosphere [135] containing low amounts of inorganic chlorine [54]. Three-dimensional model studies suggest ozone to be reduced by not more than a few percent from heterogeneous reactions on subvisible cirrus from all sources in the tropo- pause region and this decrease may be of comparable magnitude as ozone formation by nitrogen ox- ides emissions from commercial air traffic [133]. Since aviation causes only a small fraction of all cirrus, the contrail cirrus impact on ozone may also be small."


[link to www.maht0x0r.net]
Box 3B Transport times in the Northern Hemisphere
A schematic showing a latitudinal profile of the tropopause in the Northern Hemisphere and giving transport time- scales. The tropopause is typically near 9 km in altitude in polar latitudes and 16 km in equatorial regions. On any particular day at any particular longitude its position could be as shown, with a structure determined by the weather systems. The likely position of ‘jet streams’, westerly wind maxima, is indicated. The range of cruise heights for subsonic and supersonic aircraft are shown. Arrows indicate typical directions for transport of gases and time-scales for these transports are given.

When the moist, high temperature air from a jet engine mixes with the ambient cold air, saturation can occur and the moisture can condense onto particles in the atmosphere, and in particular those present in the exhaust. The result is a condensation trail, or contrail.
On about 10 - 15% of occasions in the upper troposphere in middle latitudes, the ambient air is already supersaturated with respect to ice. In supersaturated conditions contrails will persist and tend to spread. Sometimes they can spread to form or initiate a cirrus cloud, though the amount of such cirrus cloud formed by aviation is currently unknown. The extent of the contrail and cirrus cloud can be striking, those shown in the lower left corner of the plate to the left persist out over the Atlantic.
Contrails and cirrus clouds reflect some solar radiation and therefore act to cool the surface. They also absorb some upwelling thermal radiation, re-emitting it both downwards,
which acts to warm the surface, and upwards. On average the latter warming effect is thought to dominate.
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Some good research references for the future . . .


"Abstract. Condensation trails (contrails) are aircraft induced cirrus clouds, which may persist and grow to large cirrus cover in ice-supersaturated air, and may cause a warming of the atmosphere. This paper describes the formation, occurrence, properties and climatic effects of contrails. The global cover by lined-shaped contrails and the radiative impact of line-shaped contrails is smaller than as- sessed in an international assessment in 1999. Contrails trigger contrail cirrus with far larger coverage than observed for line-shaped contrails, but still unknown radiative properties. Some model simula- tions indicate an impact of particles and particle precursors emitted from aircraft engines on cirrus clouds properties. However, the magnitude of this effect cannot yet be assessed. Contrail formation can be avoided only by flying in sufficiently warm and dry air. The formation of contrail cirrus can be reduced by avoiding flights in ice-supersaturated regions of the atmosphere, e.g. by raising the flight level into the lower-most stratosphere."
[link to aero-net.info]

 "The introduction of more effi- cient aircraft engines does not solve the problem of contrail formation; just the opposite is true, be- cause the threshold temperature increases with increased overall efficiency η of the engines [12]. An increased efficiency η is desirable of course for economic and climate reasons by reducing the fuel consumption and reducing emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2)."

"Contrail-cirrus could generally be avoided if flying slightly higher in the extratropical lowermost stratosphere. Flying higher generally would cause more contrails at lower latitudes and in the tropics [57, 129]. However, for long range traffic in the extratropics, flying a little higher than today, in the lower-most stratosphere just above the tropopause, may be recommendable both under climate and aviation aspects. This option should be considered if contrail cirrus dominates the climate impact by aviation and if the side-effects such as ozone changes are sufficiently small. The stratosphere is usu- ally dry so that formation of contrail cirrus in this region is avoided. Aviation can be performed effi- ciently at such altitudes with the potential for reduced fuel consumption and nitrogen oxides emission. The mid-latitude lower-most stratosphere appears to be only weakly sensitive to ozone changes from nitrogen oxides emitted by aircraft [3, 130]. Some authors point to the potential of ozone loss by chlo- rine activation at contrail and cirrus ice particles in the lowermost stratosphere by heterogeneous chemistry [4, 6, 133, 134]. However, high humidity in the lower-most stratosphere results from trans- port of humid tropospheric air masses into the lower stratosphere [135] containing low amounts of inorganic chlorine [54]. Three-dimensional model studies suggest ozone to be reduced by not more than a few percent from heterogeneous reactions on subvisible cirrus from all sources in the tropo- pause region and this decrease may be of comparable magnitude as ozone formation by nitrogen ox- ides emissions from commercial air traffic [133]. Since aviation causes only a small fraction of all cirrus, the contrail cirrus impact on ozone may also be small."


[link to www.maht0x0r.net]
Box 3B Transport times in the Northern Hemisphere
A schematic showing a latitudinal profile of the tropopause in the Northern Hemisphere and giving transport time- scales. The tropopause is typically near 9 km in altitude in polar latitudes and 16 km in equatorial regions. On any particular day at any particular longitude its position could be as shown, with a structure determined by the weather systems. The likely position of ‘jet streams’, westerly wind maxima, is indicated. The range of cruise heights for subsonic and supersonic aircraft are shown. Arrows indicate typical directions for transport of gases and time-scales for these transports are given.

When the moist, high temperature air from a jet engine mixes with the ambient cold air, saturation can occur and the moisture can condense onto particles in the atmosphere, and in particular those present in the exhaust. The result is a condensation trail, or contrail.
On about 10 - 15% of occasions in the upper troposphere in middle latitudes, the ambient air is already supersaturated with respect to ice. In supersaturated conditions contrails will persist and tend to spread. Sometimes they can spread to form or initiate a cirrus cloud, though the amount of such cirrus cloud formed by aviation is currently unknown. The extent of the contrail and cirrus cloud can be striking, those shown in the lower left corner of the plate to the left persist out over the Atlantic.
Contrails and cirrus clouds reflect some solar radiation and therefore act to cool the surface. They also absorb some upwelling thermal radiation, re-emitting it both downwards,
which acts to warm the surface, and upwards. On average the latter warming effect is thought to dominate.
 Quoting: George B


Hi George, are you feeling better? hf
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HI Snake Airlines, are you out on the Lake right now? dance
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Hi George, are you feeling better? hf
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OH. . . HI!!! Vt . . . beginning to eat a bit now . . .feel human again . . . How are you???

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I just uploaded a slideshow with some photographs taken some days ago:





More will surely follow in a few more days !!!!
 Quoting: pray_Italy


Thanks for the slide show, pray_Italy.
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I think the purpose of most chemtrails is covert scientific tests.

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I think the purpose of most chemtrails is covert scientific tests.
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I think experimentation is a very significant motive as well . . .
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Just another update from July 20 2012:

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You know I'm still a little up in the air (no pun intented) on this issue, but there is no doubt the number of persistant contrails have increased dramatically since I was a kid. We used to never see the type of haze that now develops, seemingly almost every other day here.

I was watching a VHS video we took of a cattle branding at our ranch in the Texas Panhandle back in 1985, we were having it transfered to DVD, and it's amazing how much bluer the sky was back then...now it's hazy white at the horizon, back then it was blue all the way down to the horizon...

Something has changed, that's for sure...
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Just another update from July 20 2012:


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I am unable to view it on my IPad or IPhone . . .
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Where do these planes fuel up? I haven't figured that out yet.
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You know I'm still a little up in the air (no pun intented) on this issue, but there is no doubt the number of persistant contrails have increased dramatically since I was a kid. We used to never see the type of haze that now develops, seemingly almost every other day here.

I was watching a VHS video we took of a cattle branding at our ranch in the Texas Panhandle back in 1985, we were having it transfered to DVD, and it's amazing how much bluer the sky was back then...now it's hazy white at the horizon, back then it was blue all the way down to the horizon...

Something has changed, that's for sure...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


Something has changed and it will continue . . . huffy

With the expected growth in air traffic between now and 2050 persistent trails in the sky will be greatly increased . . . something will have to be done to limit them or climate change will result . . . or is that what they/we want????


:Trail Map 192-20:

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Where do these planes fuel up? I haven't figured that out yet.
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A few remote airfields strategically located . . .
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Some good research references for the future . . .


"Abstract. Condensation trails (contrails) are aircraft induced cirrus clouds, which may persist and grow to large cirrus cover in ice-supersaturated air, and may cause a warming of the atmosphere. This paper describes the formation, occurrence, properties and climatic effects of contrails. The global cover by lined-shaped contrails and the radiative impact of line-shaped contrails is smaller than as- sessed in an international assessment in 1999. Contrails trigger contrail cirrus with far larger coverage than observed for line-shaped contrails, but still unknown radiative properties. Some model simula- tions indicate an impact of particles and particle precursors emitted from aircraft engines on cirrus clouds properties. However, the magnitude of this effect cannot yet be assessed. Contrail formation can be avoided only by flying in sufficiently warm and dry air. The formation of contrail cirrus can be reduced by avoiding flights in ice-supersaturated regions of the atmosphere, e.g. by raising the flight level into the lower-most stratosphere."
[link to aero-net.info]

 "The introduction of more effi- cient aircraft engines does not solve the problem of contrail formation; just the opposite is true, be- cause the threshold temperature increases with increased overall efficiency η of the engines [12]. An increased efficiency η is desirable of course for economic and climate reasons by reducing the fuel consumption and reducing emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2)."

"Contrail-cirrus could generally be avoided if flying slightly higher in the extratropical lowermost stratosphere. Flying higher generally would cause more contrails at lower latitudes and in the tropics [57, 129]. However, for long range traffic in the extratropics, flying a little higher than today, in the lower-most stratosphere just above the tropopause, may be recommendable both under climate and aviation aspects. This option should be considered if contrail cirrus dominates the climate impact by aviation and if the side-effects such as ozone changes are sufficiently small. The stratosphere is usu- ally dry so that formation of contrail cirrus in this region is avoided. Aviation can be performed effi- ciently at such altitudes with the potential for reduced fuel consumption and nitrogen oxides emission. The mid-latitude lower-most stratosphere appears to be only weakly sensitive to ozone changes from nitrogen oxides emitted by aircraft [3, 130]. Some authors point to the potential of ozone loss by chlo- rine activation at contrail and cirrus ice particles in the lowermost stratosphere by heterogeneous chemistry [4, 6, 133, 134]. However, high humidity in the lower-most stratosphere results from trans- port of humid tropospheric air masses into the lower stratosphere [135] containing low amounts of inorganic chlorine [54]. Three-dimensional model studies suggest ozone to be reduced by not more than a few percent from heterogeneous reactions on subvisible cirrus from all sources in the tropo- pause region and this decrease may be of comparable magnitude as ozone formation by nitrogen ox- ides emissions from commercial air traffic [133]. Since aviation causes only a small fraction of all cirrus, the contrail cirrus impact on ozone may also be small."


[link to www.maht0x0r.net]
Box 3B Transport times in the Northern Hemisphere
A schematic showing a latitudinal profile of the tropopause in the Northern Hemisphere and giving transport time- scales. The tropopause is typically near 9 km in altitude in polar latitudes and 16 km in equatorial regions. On any particular day at any particular longitude its position could be as shown, with a structure determined by the weather systems. The likely position of ‘jet streams’, westerly wind maxima, is indicated. The range of cruise heights for subsonic and supersonic aircraft are shown. Arrows indicate typical directions for transport of gases and time-scales for these transports are given.

When the moist, high temperature air from a jet engine mixes with the ambient cold air, saturation can occur and the moisture can condense onto particles in the atmosphere, and in particular those present in the exhaust. The result is a condensation trail, or contrail.
On about 10 - 15% of occasions in the upper troposphere in middle latitudes, the ambient air is already supersaturated with respect to ice. In supersaturated conditions contrails will persist and tend to spread. Sometimes they can spread to form or initiate a cirrus cloud, though the amount of such cirrus cloud formed by aviation is currently unknown. The extent of the contrail and cirrus cloud can be striking, those shown in the lower left corner of the plate to the left persist out over the Atlantic.
Contrails and cirrus clouds reflect some solar radiation and therefore act to cool the surface. They also absorb some upwelling thermal radiation, re-emitting it both downwards,
which acts to warm the surface, and upwards. On average the latter warming effect is thought to dominate.
 Quoting: George B


We have airplane induced cirrus clouds today in the Mid Atlantic. Bet the storms will be pretty awesome this evening. The storms are already predicted. Just been listening to the constant droning of planes and and watching the white clouds form in an otherwise blue sky. At least we get water.
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Chemtrails = water vapor! You chemtrailtards are the dumbest people!bsflag
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Where do these planes fuel up? I haven't figured that out yet.
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A few remote airfields strategically located . . .
 Quoting: George B


Where do these planes fuel up? I haven't figured that out yet.
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A few remote airfields strategically located . . .
 Quoting: George B


According to your paranoid speculation and assumptions.

Keep the fantasy alive!

Making such statements of fact, with NOTHING to back it up, proves my point. Keep up the good work!
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Here's the thing I don't get...

Why aren't the people who work on the airfield, the ones who breathe concentrated jet exhaust every day as a part of being an airport employee, affected by all these supposed toxins?

What about those people who sit at the end of the runway watching airplanes take off and land? I've done that and I can smell the exhaust.

Whereas, nobody can smell the exhaust of a jet as it flies overhead at 35,000 feet.

If the poisoning is in the fuel, and the pilots don't know about it, then why aren't airport workers and airport enthusiasts affected by all this "spraying?"

Why are there no political leaders coming out in opposition to this? Why are there no lawsuits?

My point is, chemtrails are BULLSHIT. They do not exist.
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Here's the thing I don't get...

Why aren't the people who work on the airfield, the ones who breathe concentrated jet exhaust every day as a part of being an airport employee, affected by all these supposed toxins?


What about those people who sit at the end of the runway watching airplanes take off and land? I've done that and I can smell the exhaust.

Whereas, nobody can smell the exhaust of a jet as it flies overhead at 35,000 feet.

If the poisoning is in the fuel, and the pilots don't know about it, then why aren't airport workers and airport enthusiasts affected by all this "spraying?
"

Why are there no political leaders coming out in opposition to this? Why are there no lawsuits?

My point is, chemtrails are BULLSHIT. They do not exist.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9785972


[link to www.injuredonflight.com]

A US Airways plane that left 15 people ill in January has again sickened passengers and crew, this time on a flight scheduled to leave Charlotte this morning.

Nine people were taken to the hospital this morning from Charlotte/Douglas International Airport after complaining of symptoms consistent with exposure to toxic fumes. Two pilots, five flight attendants and two passengers . . . 

The aircraft, a Boeing 767, also was involved in a January incident in which eight passengers and seven crew members complained of headaches and nausea on a US Airways flight to Charlotte from St. Thomas in the Virgin Islands. The plane was grounded for six days while workers discovered and repaired the problem, which was a slight fuel leak into the cabin air system, Mohr said.

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Here's the thing I don't get...

Why aren't the people who work on the airfield, the ones who breathe concentrated jet exhaust every day as a part of being an airport employee, affected by all these supposed toxins?

What about those people who sit at the end of the runway watching airplanes take off and land? I've done that and I can smell the exhaust.

Whereas, nobody can smell the exhaust of a jet as it flies overhead at 35,000 feet.

If the poisoning is in the fuel, and the pilots don't know about it, then why aren't airport workers and airport enthusiasts affected by all this "spraying?"

Why are there no political leaders coming out in opposition to this? Why are there no lawsuits?

My point is, chemtrails are BULLSHIT. They do not exist.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9785972


[link to www.injuredonflight.com]

A US Airways plane that left 15 people ill in January has again sickened passengers and crew, this time on a flight scheduled to leave Charlotte this morning.

Nine people were taken to the hospital this morning from Charlotte/Douglas International Airport after complaining of symptoms consistent with exposure to toxic fumes. Two pilots, five flight attendants and two passengers . . . 

The aircraft, a Boeing 767, also was involved in a January incident in which eight passengers and seven crew members complained of headaches and nausea on a US Airways flight to Charlotte from St. Thomas in the Virgin Islands. The plane was grounded for six days while workers discovered and repaired the problem, which was a slight fuel leak into the cabin air system, Mohr said.

 Quoting: George B


So?!

What does that have to do with supposed "chemtrails"?!

It was a leak...and people were breathing it in...

I love how you manage to fit completely unrelated pieces into the supposed puzzle.
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Here's the thing I don't get...

Why aren't the people who work on the airfield, the ones who breathe concentrated jet exhaust every day as a part of being an airport employee, affected by all these supposed toxins?


What about those people who sit at the end of the runway watching airplanes take off and land? I've done that and I can smell the exhaust.

Whereas, nobody can smell the exhaust of a jet as it flies overhead at 35,000 feet.

If the poisoning is in the fuel, and the pilots don't know about it, then why aren't airport workers and airport enthusiasts affected by all this "spraying?
"

Why are there no political leaders coming out in opposition to this? Why are there no lawsuits?

My point is, chemtrails are BULLSHIT. They do not exist.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9785972


[link to www.injuredonflight.com]

A US Airways plane that left 15 people ill in January has again sickened passengers and crew, this time on a flight scheduled to leave Charlotte this morning.

Nine people were taken to the hospital this morning from Charlotte/Douglas International Airport after complaining of symptoms consistent with exposure to toxic fumes. Two pilots, five flight attendants and two passengers . . . 

The aircraft, a Boeing 767, also was involved in a January incident in which eight passengers and seven crew members complained of headaches and nausea on a US Airways flight to Charlotte from St. Thomas in the Virgin Islands. The plane was grounded for six days while workers discovered and repaired the problem, which was a slight fuel leak into the cabin air system, Mohr said.
 Quoting: George B


Good find, George. Wonder why they don't just use the detectors on the planes. We have smoke detectors and carbon monoxide detectors in our homes (the law in some states). So you would think they would be installed on all airlines as a precautionary measure. Especially since these incidence are occurring fairly frequently according to the article you just shared. Hummmmmmmm.

Thanks, George. Was just remembering the crash in California a while back where the plane burned up. (hush, hush).
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Some good research references for the future . . .


"Abstract. Condensation trails (contrails) are aircraft induced cirrus clouds, which may persist and grow to large cirrus cover in ice-supersaturated air, and may cause a warming of the atmosphere. This paper describes the formation, occurrence, properties and climatic effects of contrails. The global cover by lined-shaped contrails and the radiative impact of line-shaped contrails is smaller than as- sessed in an international assessment in 1999. Contrails trigger contrail cirrus with far larger coverage than observed for line-shaped contrails, but still unknown radiative properties. Some model simula- tions indicate an impact of particles and particle precursors emitted from aircraft engines on cirrus clouds properties. However, the magnitude of this effect cannot yet be assessed. Contrail formation can be avoided only by flying in sufficiently warm and dry air. The formation of contrail cirrus can be reduced by avoiding flights in ice-supersaturated regions of the atmosphere, e.g. by raising the flight level into the lower-most stratosphere."
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 "The introduction of more effi- cient aircraft engines does not solve the problem of contrail formation; just the opposite is true, be- cause the threshold temperature increases with increased overall efficiency η of the engines [12]. An increased efficiency η is desirable of course for economic and climate reasons by reducing the fuel consumption and reducing emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2)."

"Contrail-cirrus could generally be avoided if flying slightly higher in the extratropical lowermost stratosphere. Flying higher generally would cause more contrails at lower latitudes and in the tropics [57, 129]. However, for long range traffic in the extratropics, flying a little higher than today, in the lower-most stratosphere just above the tropopause, may be recommendable both under climate and aviation aspects. This option should be considered if contrail cirrus dominates the climate impact by aviation and if the side-effects such as ozone changes are sufficiently small. The stratosphere is usu- ally dry so that formation of contrail cirrus in this region is avoided. Aviation can be performed effi- ciently at such altitudes with the potential for reduced fuel consumption and nitrogen oxides emission. The mid-latitude lower-most stratosphere appears to be only weakly sensitive to ozone changes from nitrogen oxides emitted by aircraft [3, 130]. Some authors point to the potential of ozone loss by chlo- rine activation at contrail and cirrus ice particles in the lowermost stratosphere by heterogeneous chemistry [4, 6, 133, 134]. However, high humidity in the lower-most stratosphere results from trans- port of humid tropospheric air masses into the lower stratosphere [135] containing low amounts of inorganic chlorine [54]. Three-dimensional model studies suggest ozone to be reduced by not more than a few percent from heterogeneous reactions on subvisible cirrus from all sources in the tropo- pause region and this decrease may be of comparable magnitude as ozone formation by nitrogen ox- ides emissions from commercial air traffic [133]. Since aviation causes only a small fraction of all cirrus, the contrail cirrus impact on ozone may also be small."


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Box 3B Transport times in the Northern Hemisphere
A schematic showing a latitudinal profile of the tropopause in the Northern Hemisphere and giving transport time- scales. The tropopause is typically near 9 km in altitude in polar latitudes and 16 km in equatorial regions. On any particular day at any particular longitude its position could be as shown, with a structure determined by the weather systems. The likely position of ‘jet streams’, westerly wind maxima, is indicated. The range of cruise heights for subsonic and supersonic aircraft are shown. Arrows indicate typical directions for transport of gases and time-scales for these transports are given.

When the moist, high temperature air from a jet engine mixes with the ambient cold air, saturation can occur and the moisture can condense onto particles in the atmosphere, and in particular those present in the exhaust. The result is a condensation trail, or contrail.
On about 10 - 15% of occasions in the upper troposphere in middle latitudes, the ambient air is already supersaturated with respect to ice. In supersaturated conditions contrails will persist and tend to spread. Sometimes they can spread to form or initiate a cirrus cloud, though the amount of such cirrus cloud formed by aviation is currently unknown. The extent of the contrail and cirrus cloud can be striking, those shown in the lower left corner of the plate to the left persist out over the Atlantic.
Contrails and cirrus clouds reflect some solar radiation and therefore act to cool the surface. They also absorb some upwelling thermal radiation, re-emitting it both downwards,
which acts to warm the surface, and upwards. On average the latter warming effect is thought to dominate.
 Quoting: George B


We have airplane induced cirrus clouds today in the Mid Atlantic. Bet the storms will be pretty awesome this evening. The storms are already predicted. Just been listening to the constant droning of planes and and watching the white clouds form in an otherwise blue sky. At least we get water.
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Yep, storms have been moving through constantly for a couple of days now. Very powerful storms.
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History of statospheric injection proposals . .


-- 1974: Mikhail Budyko proposed injecting sulfur dioxide in the stratosphere to cool the earth (like volcanoes)
-- Early 1990s: Edward Teller and collaborators proposed putting designer (nanotech) particles into the stratosphere to deflect sunlight
-- Teller was father of the H-bomb, principal architect of “Star Wars” Defense Initiative, and inspiration for Dr. Strangelove

-- 1992: The National Academy of Sciences issues a detailed study on geoengineering options, including a cost-benefit analysis for each option
-- 2006: Paul Crutzen (Nobel Prize winner for ozone hole) says we should consider it
-- The scope and speed of climate changes due to increasing CO2 -- coupled with the lack of any progress on mitigation
– requires sulfate aerosol geoengineering solution be seriously considered

[link to www.atmos.washington.edu]

Stratospheric Sulfur Injections
•  Designed to imitate volcano eruptions
•  Inject a sulfate aerosol precursor (such as sulfur dioxide SO2) into the stratosphere that then forms sulfuric acid solutions & eventually small particles.
•  These aerosols increase earth’s albedo by reflecting solar radiation back to space.
•  When injected really high up & if the particles remain small, they take a long time to fall out (months).
•  Cheap compared to some estimates of mitigation costs, 10-20 billion $US/year

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History of statospheric injection proposals . .


-- 1974: Mikhail Budyko proposed injecting sulfur dioxide in the stratosphere to cool the earth (like volcanoes)
-- Early 1990s: Edward Teller and collaborators proposed putting designer (nanotech) particles into the stratosphere to deflect sunlight
-- Teller was father of the H-bomb, principal architect of “Star Wars” Defense Initiative, and inspiration for Dr. Strangelove

-- 1992: The National Academy of Sciences issues a detailed study on geoengineering options, including a cost-benefit analysis for each option
-- 2006: Paul Crutzen (Nobel Prize winner for ozone hole) says we should consider it
-- The scope and speed of climate changes due to increasing CO2 -- coupled with the lack of any progress on mitigation
– requires sulfate aerosol geoengineering solution be seriously considered

[link to www.atmos.washington.edu]

Stratospheric Sulfur Injections
•  Designed to imitate volcano eruptions
•  Inject a sulfate aerosol precursor (such as sulfur dioxide SO2) into the stratosphere that then forms sulfuric acid solutions & eventually small particles.
•  These aerosols increase earth’s albedo by reflecting solar radiation back to space.
•  When injected really high up & if the particles remain small, they take a long time to fall out (months).
•  Cheap compared to some estimates of mitigation costs, 10-20 billion $US/year
 Quoting: George B


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Hey, Where is your buddy Hammer these days?!

Has he "bugged out" to his secret underground cave where he sits in a puddle of his own urine...while rocking back and forth...sucking his thumb...waiting for the end?

Pathetic...
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Ironic isn't it (The Glory Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor)-the one instrument that could have answered many of the needed answers about aerosols possible origins and climatic effects was a Raytheon project . . . and . . . was somehow lost by a failed launch!!! What are the odds?????
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Raytheon’s Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor

Raytheon’s Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor (APS) will measure aerosols in Earth’s atmosphere to provide scientists and policy makers a better understanding of how those aerosols affect global climate change. 

“The Glory Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor can distinguish between various types of aerosols and reveal the different role each plays in either warming or cooling our planet,” said Bill Hart, vice president, Space Systems. “Since black carbon aerosols generally contribute to warming, and sulfate aerosols to cooling, the concentrations of these aerosols and others must be determined to ensure accurate climate modeling.”

Both natural and man-made aerosols are important constituents of the atmosphere that affect global temperature. Yet they remain poorly quantified and, according to NASA scientists, represent the largest uncertainty regarding climate change.


[link to www.raytheon.com]

On 4 March 2011, the Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor (APS) was lost as a consequence of the failed launch of the Glory Mission. On 6 March 2011, Dr. Michael Freilich, Director of the Earth Science Division, Science Mission Directorate, NASA Headquarters, directed the Glory APS Science Team to perform a comprehensive study intended to develop and evaluate the science rationale for an APS reflight.
[link to glory.giss.nasa.gov]
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Ironic isn't it (The Glory Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor)-the one instrument that could have answered many of the needed answers about aerosols possible origins and climatic effects was a Raytheon project . . . and . . . was somehow lost by a failed launch!!! What are the odds?????
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Raytheon’s Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor

Raytheon’s Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor (APS) will measure aerosols in Earth’s atmosphere to provide scientists and policy makers a better understanding of how those aerosols affect global climate change. 

“The Glory Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor can distinguish between various types of aerosols and reveal the different role each plays in either warming or cooling our planet,” said Bill Hart, vice president, Space Systems. “Since black carbon aerosols generally contribute to warming, and sulfate aerosols to cooling, the concentrations of these aerosols and others must be determined to ensure accurate climate modeling.”

Both natural and man-made aerosols are important constituents of the atmosphere that affect global temperature. Yet they remain poorly quantified and, according to NASA scientists, represent the largest uncertainty regarding climate change.


[link to www.raytheon.com]

On 4 March 2011, the Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor (APS) was lost as a consequence of the failed launch of the Glory Mission. On 6 March 2011, Dr. Michael Freilich, Director of the Earth Science Division, Science Mission Directorate, NASA Headquarters, directed the Glory APS Science Team to perform a comprehensive study intended to develop and evaluate the science rationale for an APS reflight.
[link to glory.giss.nasa.gov]
 Quoting: George B


bumpbumpbump Best information on topic!
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Ironic isn't it (The Glory Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor)-the one instrument that could have answered many of the needed answers about aerosols possible origins and climatic effects was a Raytheon project . . . and . . . was somehow lost by a failed launch!!! What are the odds?????
---------
  
Raytheon’s Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor

Raytheon’s Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor (APS) will measure aerosols in Earth’s atmosphere to provide scientists and policy makers a better understanding of how those aerosols affect global climate change. 

“The Glory Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor can distinguish between various types of aerosols and reveal the different role each plays in either warming or cooling our planet,” said Bill Hart, vice president, Space Systems. “Since black carbon aerosols generally contribute to warming, and sulfate aerosols to cooling, the concentrations of these aerosols and others must be determined to ensure accurate climate modeling.”

Both natural and man-made aerosols are important constituents of the atmosphere that affect global temperature. Yet they remain poorly quantified and, according to NASA scientists, represent the largest uncertainty regarding climate change.


[link to www.raytheon.com]

On 4 March 2011, the Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor (APS) was lost as a consequence of the failed launch of the Glory Mission. On 6 March 2011, Dr. Michael Freilich, Director of the Earth Science Division, Science Mission Directorate, NASA Headquarters, directed the Glory APS Science Team to perform a comprehensive study intended to develop and evaluate the science rationale for an APS reflight.
[link to glory.giss.nasa.gov]
 Quoting: George B


Lol...a conspiracy within a conspiracy!!!

How terrible it must be for you to live in such an evil world...

It's not like any other missions have failed....

And whenever they do fail...it must be part of some plot...

You are pathetic.
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Lol...a conspiracy within a conspiracy!!!

How terrible it must be for you to live in such an evil world...

It's not like any other missions have failed....

And whenever they do fail...it must be part of some plot...

You are pathetic.
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Third time's the charm . .  . incompetence personified . . . seems beyond even the government to use the same failed company . . . unless you have a reason to make all climate analysis systems fall into the ocean . . . LoL!!!!!!

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Both the rocket and the satellite were built by Orbital Sciences Corp. of Dulles, Va. . . . and they still have the contract for the next launch . . . !!!!!

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Fri, 4 March, 2011
Taurus Rocket Fairing Glitch Dooms NASA’s Glory Mission
By Turner Brinton


NASA's Glory climate-monitoring satellite
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Updated at 1:13pm

WASHINGTON — NASA’s $424 million Glory climate observation satellite was lost in a March 4 launch attempt from Vandenberg Air Force Base, Calif., after the shroud designed to protect the spacecraft during its climb to orbit atop a Taurus XL rocket failed to separate, agency officials said.

The Taurus XL, built by Orbital Sciences Corp. of Dulles, Va., was making its return to flight two years after a similar fairing problem destroyed NASA’s Orbiting Carbon Observatory (OCO) satellite. After replacing the fairing-separation mechanism thought to be the culprit in the OCO launch failure, the government-industry team believed the Glory launch had “an acceptable level of risk,” Rich Straka, Orbital’s deputy general manager for launch operations, said during a March 4 press conference at Vandenberg.


After an extensive investigation of the OCO launch failure, a decision was made to replace the Taurus XL’s fairing-separation mechanism, a combustion system designed to create hot gas that pushes the pistons that eject the two halves of the nose cone, said Ron Grabe, the executive vice president and general manager for Orbital’s launch systems group. It was replaced by a system that uses a bottle of cold, pressurized nitrogen to drive the pistons, he said. The cold gas system was successfully used in all three launches of the Orbital-built Minotaur 4 rocket last year, he said.


Meanwhile, Orbital is building an OCO replacement for NASA and in June was awarded a $70 million contract to launch the satellite on a Taurus XL. Depending on the findings of Glory’s Mishap Investigation Board, the agency may have to change that plan, said Michael Luther, deputy associate administrator for programs in NASA’s Science Mission Directorate.

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