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The Watchman777  User ID: 10319894  Ireland02/07/2012 02:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Most bible scholars and church pastors, and Christians assume that the two witnesses must be witnessing about Quoting: Le Palma Accepting Jesus as your savior ("getting saved"), repentance, and the vengance of God for not accepting his Son as a saviour. But, does the bible Really Say That? Most prophecy experts can't find any verse in the Bible that calls these two "Witnesses" because they are not witnesses at all. Revelation tells you what they will do and that is "nourish" the woman (Israel) in the wilderness for 3.5 years in the last half of the tribulation. Their commissioning is the re-establishment of the Theocracry on this earth just before the return of Y'shua. They are Moses and Elijah... Do you have verse for that ??? The Watchman777 "O son of man, I HAVE SET THEE A WATCHMAN unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me... IF THOU DOST NOT SPEAK TO WARN THE WICKED from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but HIS BLOOD WILL I REQUIRE AT THINE HAND... IF THOU WARN THE WICKED of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but THOU HAST DELIVERED THY SOUL..." - Ezekiel 33:7-15 |
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| Le Palma (OP) User ID: 10333294  United States02/07/2012 03:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Most prophecy experts can't find any verse in the Bible that calls these two "Witnesses" because they are not witnesses at all. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2239852 Revelation tells you what they will do and that is "nourish" the woman (Israel) in the wilderness for 3.5 years in the last half of the tribulation. Their commissioning is the re-establishment of the Theocracry on this earth just before the return of Y'shua. They are Moses and Elijah... Witness---Someone who Voluntarily or under compulsion Had, claims to have, or is thought by someone with Authority to Have knowledge of orbe able to Compel Testimony relevant to an Event or other Matter of Interest. Two witnesses are required to establish the veracity of their testimony, it would be logical to think that the Two Witnesses will have greater Impact if their Presence Has been Spread over the distance of a Great period of Time, Time beginning even before that of Moses and Elijah... We must consider, that Civilization existed, maintained, influenced Before the Advent of the Roman Catholic Church,and before written Biblical text. For example, in the Book of Enoch, which is a Book that for some reason was Cut from the KJV Bible,canonized in other versions, it States in Chapter 9: "And then Michael, Uriel, Raphael, and Gabriel looked down from heaven and saw much blood being shed upon the earth, and all lawlessness being wrought upon the earth And they said one to another: 'The earth made with inhabitant cries the voice of their crying' up to the gates of heaven. And now to you, the holy ones of heaven, the souls of men make their suit, saying, "Bring our cause before the Most High."  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Cross Point~~~Two Become One in Agreement becoming a Monopole(monopoly) of Radiating Energy  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Key of the Cross  Last Edited by Le Palma on 02/07/2012 04:10 PM |
| Le Palma (OP) User ID: 10333294 United States02/07/2012 03:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anonymous Coward User ID: 5615806 United States 02/07/2012 03:14 PM (Reposting this AC because it had my Name under the quote) And they gathered them together to the place called in Hebrew, Armageddon. Satan gathered all of his demonic hordes to watch as he killed The Son Of God on the Cross) If Satan had known that he would be defeated for all eternity because of Jesus Christ’s death, he would not have crucified The LORD OF GLORY) And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; (Christ poured out His Blood and Water while in the air on the cross!) and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, “It is done.” (Jesus Christ said it on the cross, “It Is Finished!”) And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And the great city was divided into three parts, (the three zones of the earth are frigid, temperate and torrid zone…… (COLD, LUKEWARM AND HOT!) (You either Hate Him, Like Him, or You Love Him with all your heart!) and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great. The Holy Spirit convicts men of their sin, but sadly most do not respond and repent unto eternal life) Last Edited by Le Palma on 02/07/2012 04:57 PM |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1486940 United States02/08/2012 11:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Most bible scholars and church pastors, and Christians assume that the two witnesses must be witnessing about Quoting: Le Palma Accepting Jesus as your savior ("getting saved"), repentance, and the vengance of God for not accepting his Son as a saviour. But, does the bible Really Say That? In Rev. Ch. 11, The Two Witnesses are called "The Two Olive trees and the two Lampstands" THAT STAND BEFORE THE LORD OF THE EARTH" The story of the witnesses is set up in the previous chapter, Chapter 10:11-- Then I was told, "You must prophesy against many peoples, nations, languages and kings." - Presently, Christianity is the most prevalent religion on Earth. According to this website [link to www.adherents.com] , it comprises 33% of all the people affiliated with religion. During the Crusades, and the middle ages in Europe, (1095-1291) People were forced to accept Christianity at the Edge of a sword or DIE. Over 3 Million people were slaughtered because they did not accept Christianity.  DEATH TOLL LINK[link to necrometrics.com] John Robertson, A short History of Christianity estimates the death totals are more likely 9 Million people slaughtered because they would not accept a religion they didn't know. Practically everyone alive today has at least 1 ancestor that were murdered, had property stolen, tortured, beheaded, or forced to accept religion of the Catholic Church. Even the smallest estimation of death equals more people murdered than any genocide that has happened in the modern world. This history remains unwritten in school history books, it is not spoken of, and by ignoring it, we do a great diservice to ourselves and our and our ancestors, and our children, and so the cycle continues. No where in revelation ch. 11 does it say that the two wittnesses are telling people "You better get saved, exept Jesus as your saviour now or you will burn in hell, you wicked sinners, alchoholics and theives and drug addicts". ~~~~~~~~~WE Are not Born "Sinners"---We are born Into a World that is a WEb of Dis-appropiated Thoughts~~~~~~~~~~ Thus the present Shape of This World has a negative influence on the Human Being in such a way To Cause Them to have Such Loathing Thoughts THemselves..... As we approach the "end of the age", I believe that it will be a time of Judgement for sure, however "sinners" are not the Big problem in this world. The big Elephant in the Room is Tyranny, Domination, Coercion, cruelty, terrorism, totalitarianism, monocracies, and oligarchies, Oppression, intimidation, and menace. " You must prophesy against many peoples, nations, languages and kings." Every power is given by the Creator.......... Could the two witness be speaking against Big World Religions and Governments who wage endless wars in the name of peace, harmony, and good will?????? The bible certainly does NOT say that they will be standing up for one big world religion, in fact, it says they will be speaking against the nations and kings. “Question everything. Every stripe, every star, every word spoken. Everything.”(Gains) “Who so neglects learning in his youth loses the past and is dead to the future.'” (Euripides) The number of THE PEOPLE are greater than those in power!!!!!!! TRUST me - they WON'T be Catholics |
| SoulwalkerNZ User ID: 1536970  New Zealand02/08/2012 11:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Maybe they, through their prophetic emphasis, will bring about many to Christ. I thought somewhere in Rev. it states they seal the 144,000 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1450086 The 144,000 ARE the two witnesses... What a load of rubbish. The two witnesses, I think, are the two faithful to Jesus, preachers who witness the first miracle of the Kingdom of God. I believe this has already happened. Later on they prophesy against the enemies of Jesus/Kingdom of God. |
| Le Palma (OP) User ID: 10333294 United States02/09/2012 12:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We all have a lot of ideas about who the two witnesses are and what they might witness about...What if the TWO Encompass all of the things that have been mentioned? Two Circles of Life coming together from different time and space meeting at the CROSSing point,  forming an AGREEMENT,in ONE cordia. When Two circles come together it forms a pyramid...the word "PYRA" means 'Fire' + 'PILLAR'... When the Two come together in Agreement, their Energy becomes A Pillar of Fire:dnaiii: Moved by Word and Voice Reaching to the HeAVEns Last Edited by Le Palma on 02/09/2012 12:05 AM |
| Jesse User ID: 9006464 United States02/09/2012 12:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They Are here for Israel.They witness to the jewish people in Jerusalem in order that the 144,000 may be called and protected from the antichrist.The 144,000 will testify that Jesus is the messaiah.They will be the ones that Jesus saves.They are God's and God's words will be in their mouth.They will be hated by the whole world because they will be the one's who speak aginst the antichrist and the false prophet and the world church that worships them. |
| Jesse User ID: 9006464 United States02/09/2012 01:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We all have a lot of ideas about who the Quoting: Le Palma two witnesses are and what they might witness about...What if the TWO Encompass all of the things that have been mentioned? Two Circles of Life coming together from different time and space meeting at the CROSSing point,:TET EaRTH 9: forming an AGREEMENT, in ONE cordia. When Two circles come together it forms a pyramid...the word "PYRA" means 'Fire' + 'PILLAR'... When the Two come together in Agreement, their Energy becomes A Pillar of Fire:dnaiii: Moved by Word and Voice Reaching to the HeAVEns That is kind of cool so you are saying they are the ark of the new covenant? |
| Le Palma (OP) User ID: 10333294 United States02/09/2012 01:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There’s No “J” in Hebrew, Greek or Latin! [link to www.remnantofyhwh.com] The reason why the Words "Jesus" and "Jehovah" are incorrect and presently disputed is found in their common initial letter, J. "The Encyclopedia Americana contains the following on the J: The form of J was unknown in any alphabet until the 14th century." THe letters (J,I)had a consonantal sound of Y as in year. Gradually, the two symbols (J,l) were differentiated, the J usually acquiring consonantal force and thus becoming regarded as a consonant, and the I becoming a vowel. It was not until 1630 that the differentiation became general in England. Which begs the Question; Did the Authors of the King James Bible make a mistake in Translating biblical text that has stood for over 400 years, and did the Authors of the KJV Bible INVENT the Word 'Jesus' and 'jehovah' in the 1600's? According to earlier Hebrew text, the word Yeshua appears 29 times as the Word for Joshua the High Priest of the Temple that began reconstruction after the return of the jewish people from the Babylonian Captivity in 500BC The word Yeshua is also given to other priests of the time who served in the Holy of Holies BEFORE the TIME of JESUS. A variation of the word Y'hoshua is found 218 Times in the Hebrew Bible texts that were written BEFORE the 1st century AD and this name also given to The High Priests of the Temple in Jerusalem. "The name Yeshua is also used in Israeli Hebrew historical texts to refer to other Joshuas recorded in Greek texts such as Jesus ben Ananias and Jesus ben Sira. ('Ben'means 'son of') (source Robert E. Van Voorst Jesus outside the New Testament 2000) Last Edited by Le Palma on 02/09/2012 01:02 AM |
| Le Palma (OP) User ID: 10333294 United States02/09/2012 01:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We all have a lot of ideas about who the Quoting: Le Palma two witnesses are and what they might witness about...What if the TWO Encompass all of the things that have been mentioned? Two Circles of Life coming together from different time and space meeting at the CROSSing point, forming an AGREEMENT,in ONE cordia. When Two circles come together it forms a pyramid...the word "PYRA" means 'Fire' + 'PILLAR'... When the Two come together in Agreement, their Energy becomes A Pillar of Fire:dnaiii: Moved by Word and Voice Reaching to the HeAVEns That is kind of cool so you are saying they are the ark of the new covenant? Maybe they are....an ARC is a circle, an ARC forms a HALO in the sky at 120 degrees perihelion by reflections off of HEXAGONAL ice crystals. (DNA,Hexagonal storm on Saturn) :Dna hexagon:  Also a Bow ARc is formed in the sky as a Rain Bow by reflections of water droplets--- Noahwhose family was rescued from destruction in a Boat (Argonaut) Was given as a sign the Rainbow Arc as covenant between God, Noah, and his people that never again would all of life on earth be annihilated by Flood, and that if the crossing point was ever reached again, that God would Perpetuate and Sustain Human life in the Blood of a REMNANT ...the Word ARK also Means "A CONTAINER", where within the blood is also anRNA Protein called ARC,a nameof an immediate early gene, also called Arg3.1 (Argonauts,boat) Arg 3.1 is one of the oldest genes which plays the role in learning and memory-related processes (GENETIC ENCODED MEMORY)  (I know I throw a lot out here, but all of this connects together and I really don't know of another way To Show you how it connects with out writing it out) [link to en.wikipedia.org] Arg3.1 Arc Protein [link to en.wikipedia.org] ARC Last Edited by Le Palma on 02/09/2012 01:28 AM |
| Jesse User ID: 9006464 United States02/09/2012 01:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We all have a lot of ideas about who the Quoting: Le Palma two witnesses are and what they might witness about...What if the TWO Encompass all of the things that have been mentioned? Two Circles of Life coming together from different time and space meeting at the CROSSing point,:TET EaRTH 9: forming an AGREEMENT, in ONE cordia. When Two circles come together it forms a pyramid...the word "PYRA" means 'Fire' + 'PILLAR'... When the Two come together in Agreement, their Energy becomes A Pillar of Fire:dnaiii: Moved by Word and Voice Reaching to the HeAVEns That is kind of cool so you are saying they are the ark of the new covenant? Maybe they are....an ARC is a circle, an ARC forms a HALO in the sky at 120 degrees perihelion by reflections off of HEXAGONAL ice crystals. (DNA,Hexagonal storm on Saturn) :Dna hexagon: :SAt Hex STOR: Also a Bow ARc is formed in the sky as a Rain Bow by reflections of water droplets--- Noahwhose family was rescued from destruction in a Boat (Argonaut) Was given as a sign the Rainbow Arc as covenant between God, Noah, and his people that never again would all of life on earth be annihilated by Flood, and that if the crossing point was ever reached again, that God would Perpetuate and Sustain Human life in the Blood of a REMNANT ...the Word ARK also Means "A CONTAINER", where within the blood is also anRNA Protein called ARC,a nameof an immediate early gene, also called Arg3.1 (Argonauts,boat) Arg 3.1 is one of the oldest genes which plays the role in learning and memory-related processes (GENETIC ENCODED MEMORY) :ark parking: (I know I throw a lot out here, but all of this connects together and I really don't know of another way To Show you how it connects with out writing it out) [link to en.wikipedia.org] Arg3.1 Arc Protein [link to en.wikipedia.org] ARC thinking of that the mark of there calling was two Rainbows |
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| TT MICHAEL TT User ID: 10430217 United States02/09/2012 02:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You posted the same thing on my thread...what does it apply 2?? Last Edited by ALL SEEING i on 02/09/2012 02:58 AM |
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| Le Palma (OP) User ID: 10333294 United States02/09/2012 03:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1555208 ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY AND JUDAISM ARE USED TO LEAD THE PEOPLE OF YAHUWA ASTRAY. THE MYSTERY RELIGIONS ARE ALL ONE IN THE SAME AND ARE NOT OF OUR CREATOR YAHUWA. THEY ARE NOTHING MORE THAN A PARTICULAR "SPIN" USED TO CONTROL PEOPLE TO FOLLOW A FALSE AGENDA. THESE WRONGS WILL BE UNDONE. FOR IT IS WRITTEN. DOWN WITH RELIGION. I'm not promoting any one particular religion....I'm using the Hebrew scriptures as a timeline to discover the True meaning of the Language... It is Written:There is No RElgion Higher than the Truth |
| Le Palma (OP) User ID: 10333294 United States02/09/2012 03:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY AND JUDAISM ARE USED TO LEAD THE PEOPLE OF YAHUWA ASTRAY. THE MYSTERY RELIGIONS ARE ALL ONE IN THE SAME AND ARE NOT OF OUR CREATOR YAHUWA. THEY ARE NOTHING MORE THAN A PARTICULAR "SPIN" USED TO CONTROL PEOPLE TO FOLLOW A FALSE AGENDA. THESE WRONGS WILL BE UNDONE. FOR IT IS WRITTEN. DOWN WITH RELIGION. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2420897 I understand this, and partially agree. Religion allows the control of the flow of information seepage to an extent, and then there are Orders of Persons from varying Nations that maintain a part of control the religions world wide and their goal is to unify them all. If this is not what the people want, then they will always only remain 'A part' of a Part rather than Becoming Plugged into the Whole. RACE and RELIGION are powerful tools being used to Keep us Separate,individualized, and singular. But if one is able to see past that, I believe the scriptures of many texts along with the Bible are Charged Words of Power and are Maintained as such Because of the Power of So Many that BELIEVE. Last Edited by Le Palma on 02/09/2012 03:21 AM |
| TT MICHAEL TT User ID: 10430217 United States02/09/2012 03:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I could tell you what the two witnesses are....if you really wanna know Quoting: TT MICHAEL TT I just won't tell who they are  I'm very curious to know what you think! Did you see my post above about the DNA pillar of fire? I'm sure you have Heard of Jahovas witnesses... well this is also refering to Hovas 2 witnesses. They are the two people who have gone through this with me this year. One person more than the other but they still both played a very important part in this. There are more than two witnesses that know around me but these are the two closest people. :BUDD HA: Last Edited by ALL SEEING i on 02/09/2012 03:20 AM |
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| TT MICHAEL TT User ID: 10430217 United States02/09/2012 04:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I believe there are more than Two also~~~~ Quoting: Le Palma Go TWO BY TWO it says~~~~then Multiplicity, What began as TWO Become A MULTITUDE...Thanks Scott Any time :red_heart: Last Edited by ALL SEEING i on 02/09/2012 04:09 AM |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 788508  Spain02/09/2012 05:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Most bible scholars and church pastors, and Christians assume that the two witnesses must be witnessing about Quoting: Le Palma Accepting Jesus as your saviour ("getting saved"), repentance, and the vengence of God for not accepting his Son as a saviour. But, does the bible Really Say That? In Rev. Ch. 11, The Two Witnesses are called "The Two Olive trees and the two Lampstands" THAT STAND BEFORE THE LORD OF THE EARTH" The story of the witnesses is set up in the previous chapter, Chapter 10:11-- Then I was told, "You must prophesy against many peoples, nations, languages and kings." - Presently, Christianity is the most prevalent religion on Earth. According to this website [link to www.adherents.com] it comprises 33% of all the people affiliated with religion. During the Crusades, and the middle ages in Europe, (1095-1291) People were forced to accept Christianity at the Edge of a sword or DIE. Over 3 Million people were slaughtered because they did not accept christianity. [link to necrometrics.com] John Robertson, A short History of Christianity estimates the death totals are more likely 9 Million people slaughtered because they would not accept a religion they didn't know. Practically everyone alive today has at least 1 ancestor that were murdered, had property stolen, tortured, beheaded, or forced to accept religion of the Catholic Church. Even the smallest estimation of death equals more people murdered than any genocide that has happened in the modern world. This history remains unwritten in school history books, it is not spoken of, and by ignoring it, we do a great diservice to ourselves and our and our ancestors, and our children, and so the cycle continues. No where in revelation ch. 11 does it say that the two wittnesses are telling people "You better get saved, exept Jesus as your saviour now or you will burn in hell, you wicked sinners, alchoholics and theives and drug addicts". As we approach the "end of the age", I believe that it will be a time of Judgement for sure, however "sinners" are not the Big problem in this world. The big problem is Tyranny, Domination, Coercion, cruelty, terrorism, totalitarianism, monocracies, and oligarchies, Oppression, intimidation, and menace. " You must prophesy against many peoples, nations, languages and kings." Every power is given by the Creator.......... Could the two witness be speaking against Big World Religions and Governments who wage endless wars in the name of peace, harmony, and good will?????? The bible certainly does NOT say that they will be standing up for one big world religion, in fact, it says they will be speaking against the nations and kings. “Question everything. Every stripe, every star, every word spoken. Everything.”(Gains) “Who so neglects learning in his youth loses the past and is dead to the future.'” (Euripides) The number of THE PEOPLE are greater than those in power!!!!!!! In short, the two witnesses (the Olive tree and the Lampstand) are the gentile Church and the Jewish-Christian Church. They witness, they prophesy, they spread the glory of the gospel during the Tribulation. This is why there is a debate about the rapture, it is unclear whether there will be one based on Revelation 11. soo, your saying that the jewish and christian churches have the power to cause plagues, shut the heavens so it doesnt rain, able to devour their enemies with fire that flows out of their mouths..? and finally a great earthquake after they ascend to heaven?...dont think so. |
| Le Palma (OP) User ID: 10333294 United States02/09/2012 05:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | soo, your saying that the jewish and christian churches have the power to Quoting: Anonymous Coward 788508 cause plagues, shut the heavens so it doesnt rain, able to devour their enemies with fire that flows out of their mouths..? and finally a great earthquake after they ascend to heaven?...dont think so. You appear have confused my words, I did not say Jewish and Christian Churches have the power to do Those Things. Last Edited by Le Palma on 02/09/2012 05:42 AM |
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