Right now were dead, when we die we wake up

We are all dead. Were nothin but a collection of physical memories, stimuli. Our real selves are nowhere near us, who we think we are is not us, it's what we were made into because of our enviroments, parents, peers, the system, etc.

Nobody here has any idea who they were before coming here, what makes you think this is really you?

All you are in this 3d illusion is a thing, a mind and a body, only pertinent to this current life, how the fuck are you truly you?? Everything that's in your mind has been taught to you by external entities, how do you think you know the truth about anything??

The truth is we are all walking dead, we died as soon as we were born, and the only way to wake up is to die and let your essence escape from this horrible body and this horrible illusion, that's the only way. Any thoughts?

Totally agree as our spirit is bound to these physical bodies, thus subject to the elements. A pure (free) spirit being placed in a physical body that is subject to the elements taken from its natural spiritual form (pure and not bound), does not sound like a promotion to me. This place is ruled by evil (another sign) and filled with suffering,labor and pain. Yet it is as one would call hell (being doctrinally enfluenced) or it can be observed as the womb.

Totally agree as our spirit is bound to these physical bodies, thus subject to the elements. A pure (free) spirit being placed in a physical body that is subject to the elements taken from its natural spiritual form (pure and not bound), does not sound like a promotion to me. This place is ruled by evil (another sign) and filled with suffering,labor and pain. Yet it is as one would call hell (being doctrinally enfluenced) or it can be observed as the womb.

Well friend having travelled and explored the world, rather than just blindly followed other peoples rules and doctrines friend ...I hope you don't mind if I say you're talking rubbish.

Agreed, i know, or would like 2 think that I Am actually an infinite manifestation of divine creation, all existing, all knowing, beautiful and perfect.

But in this life I can't feel a shred of that, I'm just a bloated chemical body full of pains and discomfort, a traumatized mind filled with anger, distrust, trauma, ignorance, longing for truth, divinity, happiness and nevEr ever ever ever obtain it, fuck this trap I want out.

IMO, your view is mostly correct, but still too much biased (I wouldn't say this life is not 'horrible'. There is purpose to it.). Read the book Matrix V edited by Valdamar Valerian. Even before reading that book I already had my own completed model of Creation, which doesn't follow any known doctrine by the way. Everything in that book made a lot of sense to me and never got into conflict with my previous model. Though when it comes to spiritual matters, language is always a trap, and personal bias is always in the way.

Thats me OP, cause I was in a accident. I had maybe four pain free years of youth and goodlooks, and thats it, Four years from ages 16-20

The rest of my life has been chronic pain and struggle. If it werent for those that cared for me, Id be gone. Theres nothing in this world I really want.

Agreed, i know, or would like 2 think that I Am actually an infinite manifestation of divine creation, all existing, all knowing, beautiful and perfect.

But in this life I can't feel a shred of that, I'm just a bloated chemical body full of pains and discomfort, a traumatized mind filled with anger, distrust, trauma, ignorance, longing for truth, divinity, happiness and nevEr ever ever ever obtain it, fuck this trap I want out.

We are all dead. Were nothin but a collection of physical memories, stimuli. Our real selves are nowhere near us, who we think we are is not us, it's what we were made into because of our enviroments, parents, peers, the system, etc.

Nobody here has any idea who they were before coming here, what makes you think this is really you?

All you are in this 3d illusion is a thing, a mind and a body, only pertinent to this current life, how the fuck are you truly you?? Everything that's in your mind has been taught to you by external entities, how do you think you know the truth about anything??

The truth is we are all walking dead, we died as soon as we were born, and the only way to wake up is to die and let your essence escape from this horrible body and this horrible illusion, that's the only way. Any thoughts?

Bro I feel ya, i got chronic pain too, it started when i was like 18, i was a junkie on opiates for years afterwards, even injected crack and oxycodone, I've been clean for a year and still nowhere close to being happy, nowhere. There's nothing in this reality i want or look forward to, NOTHING.

it's about the journey, not the destination.

This life is not a means to an end; it already IS the END.

the journey is the purpose. the destination is the illusion. The journey may be going thru a rocky road, but as your legs grow stronger you learn to stop falling.

the biggest mistake of man is assuming that things -- the "effect" -- have to exist for a reason, and that they must have a "cause" which is different / separate from they in themselves. The Cause *is* the Effect -- there is no separation. What brings suffering to man is this eternal quest for meaning , purpose and justification that has nothing to do with Him or what he is experiencing. Experience, not mattering how intense or bad, IS the purpose of Creation. You are here for this purpose, cause this place provides many intense experiences.

once you reach a level you begin to understand that the only real purpose is a lack of one; the only real meaning is a lack of meaning. We are truly happy when we act spontaneously, without all the assumptions and the contrivance to obtain "results" and to reach for "answers". The only answer is no answer; the only answer is silent contemplation; it is learning to sit down , be still, and accept that which IS and not that which you WANT to be. Things are what they are, and they don't NEED any reason to to be. Man suffers greatly because he is always seekinZg for answers that do not exist. You have to STOP making questions to start KNOWING the answers. Ever seen those students who have to ask about everything during class? What would happen if they would shut up for a while to meditate on finding the answers themselves? E

The Truth is right here and now -- it is what it is. Your tendency to desire
for something "else", something that will take place "after" this life, and that will probably be "better" -- all of this already creates a separation in your mind, which breeds expectation, anxiety, and hence suffering. This is caused by your subconscious belief in duality still. Besides, suffering is rooted on desire.

This place is the only place to be. You couldn't be in a batter place than here. It's all happening according to the Plan, the Flow, the Higher Good. Your Higher Self will see it through that you go where you need to go. Thus, you do not need to concern yourself with the destination, you see? It's only the journey that matters. Make the most of it.

This is an illusion, a distraction, but a VERY necessary one. You must learn to cherish this life as if it was the only one you'll ever have. Technically we are all immortal spirits, but you'll never have another chance to experience this particular arrangement of sensorial inputs with the same intensity. It's like the first time when we hear a song... The first time is never going to be the same experience. Yeap, perhaps when you reach the5th dimension you will be able to review this life over and over again, but it won't be the same.

We are all dead. Were nothin but a collection of physical memories, stimuli. Our real selves are nowhere near us, who we think we are is not us, it's what we were made into because of our enviroments, parents, peers, the system, etc.

Nobody here has any idea who they were before coming here, what makes you think this is really you?

All you are in this 3d illusion is a thing, a mind and a body, only pertinent to this current life, how the fuck are you truly you?? Everything that's in your mind has been taught to you by external entities, how do you think you know the truth about anything??

The truth is we are all walking dead, we died as soon as we were born, and the only way to wake up is to die and let your essence escape from this horrible body and this horrible illusion, that's the only way. Any thoughts?

You almost have it.

You missed the point of how we may know what death is without life, however.

It's not an illusion.

We all have original thought, but you are correct; we are taught that our thought does not count when it comes to the status quo. You just make yourself an outsider, is all.

You soon forget that because the feeling of needing to belong makes normal logic a thing of the past...

At that point you distance yourself from your better self. The self that knows better. The better part that knows real truths.

You are taught to not only lie to others but to yourself as well...

*Oxy moron here--If you die when you are born how can you escape by dying??? do you then re-die?