The Bible as Astrology

...months were invented by men, the 7 days and seasons were created by the CREATOR,any questions.but you can call them months in between or whatever.

If it were 5 BC, that would connect with the 'two' planets becoming 'one' WANDERING star.

Very interesting stuff when you actually start looking into this with any degree of seriousness.

LOL Abraham taught astronomy to the Egyptians!! The priest caste were all astrologers!

The three wise men where magicans from, greece persia and Ethiopia.

Actually no, it doesn't. The only verse that APPEARS to do so, only does if taken out of context. Thanks for your 'input' into the ACTUAL TOPIC, though...

There are only two specific discussions of the word "astrologers" in the Bible, and it is in the following passage from Isaiah 47:13 which is often cited as a biblical "condemnation" of Astrology. I have to admit that when someone showed this passage to me for the first time, it looked like it was saying that all astrologers would burn in hell!

13 Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee.
14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it.

But I forgot to ask myself, "Who is the 'thou' and 'thee' Isaiah is talking to?"

On first reading of this out-of-context quotation from the Bible, it appeared even to me that it was saying that astrologers would be burned, presumably for practising Astrology. Naturally, I was concerned, and resolved to check it out for myself. After a thorough reading of the verses "in context", it appeared to be saying nothing more than that the God of the Israelites was going to punish the King of the Babylonians and his people, and that nothing - not even the Babylonian King's astrologers and other wise counselors - could do anything to save the Babylonians from the wrath of God. (Babylon was located in the region of Mesopotamia now known as Iraq, and it is interesting that there is now another evil "king" in charge there, who has attacked the nation of Israel with modern missiles.)

Remember that the Babylonians had taken the Israelites (God's "chosen people") into "captivity", which really means into "slavery". And Isaiah was an Israelite. To the children of Israel, the Babylonians were evil oppressors and enemies of the Hebrew people. They hoped their God would smite the Babylonians and free them from captivity and slavery.

Here are the verses immediately before AND after the cited passage, in which "thee" refers to the nation of "Babylon", not to "astrologers":

11 Therefore shall evil come upon thee; thou shalt not know from whence it riseth: and mischief shall fall upon thee; thou shalt not be able to put it off: and desolation shall come upon thee suddenly, which thou shalt not know.

15 Thus shall they be unto thee with whom thou hast laboured, even thy merchants, from thy youth: they shall wander every one to his quarter; none shall save thee.

This, then, is not a condemnation of astrologers, nor of the practice of Astrology - but a condemnation of the King of Babylon and his people, who were enemies of the Israelites. Isaiah is saying that no one can save them, and mentions "astrologers" and "stargazers" among other kinds of counselors and even the merchants of Babylon, as being powerless against the will of God.

To assume that this passage condemns the practice of Astrology itself is a misinterpretation of the true meaning of this biblical prophesy. If this is taken to "condemn" Astrology then, by the same misguided logic, one would have to say that it also condemns "merchants". But it does not condemn them, it only says that they cannot save the King from the God of Israel. No human could save the King from God's plan; and later events proved this to be true, according to the account in the Bible.

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The bible's commentary on STARS AS SIGNS FROM GOD:

The bible itself may well admit to its own Astrology:

Psalm 19

1The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

2Day unto day [it] uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.

3There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.

4Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,


"There shall be signs in the sun, the moon, and the stars." - Jesus Christ, Luke 21:25


"And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as SIGNS to mark seasons and days and years, and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the Earth." And it was so." (Gen. 1:14-15)

I wonder what star the belt of Orion follows? Maybe one of our resident astrologists can tell us. What direction do they 'follow' this star across the sky?

Not sure what you mean by "follows?" in terms of movement across the southern night sky? or perhaps in mythology as in "Orion forever hunts after the Pleiades". Some info here to help explain in terms of Astrology, Astronomy, and Astrolatry (relating planets and stars to creation and mythology).

Astronomically the three stars of Orion's belt are actually very far in distance from each other. All considered "Blue" stars, one is a binary system, another is a quad system and one is a single system. It is from Earth viewpoint that they look like they are aligned together. For instance,

Orion's Belt | Light Years (LY) | System

Alnitak A (Zeta) 780 Binary
Mintaka (Delta) 910 Quad
Alniam (Epsilon) 1,335 Single

There is more regarding orbits - our solar system, Orions Belt etc. are within what is called the Goulds Belt which is in the Orion Spiral arm of the Milky Way. The Goulds Belt of stars orbits around an astronomical center which itself orbits the galactic center. Another topic to be sure but mentioned here because everything is in motion and there are many levels of orbits as it all traverses around MW center.

Astrologically in constellation terms some of the "interesting" stars are within their respective constellations, at specific degrees known as "Fixed Stars" and used in Astrology interpretation. For instance,

Fixed Star | Distance (LY) | Constellation/Degree
Alnitak A (Zeta) 780 Orion/24 Gemini
Mintaka (Delta) 910 Orion/22 Gemini
Alniam (Epsilon) 1,335 Orion/23 Gemini
Sirius AB 8 Canis Major/13 Cancer
Alcyone-Pleiades 500 Taurus/29 Taurus

These "Fixed Stars" as well as certain asteroids (e.g., Ceres, Juno, Pallas, Vesta) and centaurs (e.g. Chiron,Pholus, Nessus) the new planetoid "Eris" when placed within an Astrological birth chart, are new (or old but now "remembered") fields of research and are showing up as additional insight and interpretation.

Astrolatry links ancient mythology in to bring further insight into Astrology as a universal symbolic language of intelligence that requires knowledge of mathmatics and astronomy to develop a view of cosmology - the motherlode of the metaphysical understanding. Much can be gained studying roman-greek mythology of Atlas as father to the seven sisters as well as native american (Hopi, Dakota, Lakota Sioux, Hohokam, Creeks, Navajo, Iroquois, Aztec, and Myan).

Bottom line coming back to religious books - over 30 books were discarded from the Bible by the council of Nicea; all reference to Astrology was largely removed as was references to reincarnation. Only small fragments are left as hints of the knowledge which is now coming back online.

In Egyptian lore, Osiris is Orion and Isis is Sirius. Another way to say it is Osiris is FROM Orion, Isis FROM Sirius. Greek mythology states that "After" Atlas who "supported the heavens on his shoulders" and fathered the seven sisters, ORION began to "pursue" all of the Pleiades.

I find it most interesting "breadcrumbs" of Pleiades mythology that one of the seven sisters, Maia (Mayan?)was explicitly identified with Earth (Gaia) and was the mother of Hermes (mercury). Another "Sister" Alcyone, with Poseidon (Neptune) together birthed Hyrieus. Hyrieus was the father of Orion. These myths sure sound like stories of our origins of far ancient times.

What can you tell us regarding Ezekiel. Any reference points would be highly appreciated.

Santos Bonacci on Youtube.

Good chit.

There are only two specific discussions of the word "astrologers" in the Bible, and it is in the following passage from Isaiah 47:13 which is often cited as a biblical "condemnation" of Astrology. I have to admit that when someone showed this passage to me for the first time, it looked like it was saying that all astrologers would burn in hell!

13 Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee.
14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it.

But I forgot to ask myself, "Who is the 'thou' and 'thee' Isaiah is talking to?"

On first reading of this out-of-context quotation from the Bible, it appeared even to me that it was saying that astrologers would be burned, presumably for practising Astrology. Naturally, I was concerned, and resolved to check it out for myself. After a thorough reading of the verses "in context", it appeared to be saying nothing more than that the God of the Israelites was going to punish the King of the Babylonians and his people, and that nothing - not even the Babylonian King's astrologers and other wise counselors - could do anything to save the Babylonians from the wrath of God. (Babylon was located in the region of Mesopotamia now known as Iraq, and it is interesting that there is now another evil "king" in charge there, who has attacked the nation of Israel with modern missiles.)

Remember that the Babylonians had taken the Israelites (God's "chosen people") into "captivity", which really means into "slavery". And Isaiah was an Israelite. To the children of Israel, the Babylonians were evil oppressors and enemies of the Hebrew people. They hoped their God would smite the Babylonians and free them from captivity and slavery.

Here are the verses immediately before AND after the cited passage, in which "thee" refers to the nation of "Babylon", not to "astrologers":

11 Therefore shall evil come upon thee; thou shalt not know from whence it riseth: and mischief shall fall upon thee; thou shalt not be able to put it off: and desolation shall come upon thee suddenly, which thou shalt not know.

15 Thus shall they be unto thee with whom thou hast laboured, even thy merchants, from thy youth: they shall wander every one to his quarter; none shall save thee.

This, then, is not a condemnation of astrologers, nor of the practice of Astrology - but a condemnation of the King of Babylon and his people, who were enemies of the Israelites. Isaiah is saying that no one can save them, and mentions "astrologers" and "stargazers" among other kinds of counselors and even the merchants of Babylon, as being powerless against the will of God.

To assume that this passage condemns the practice of Astrology itself is a misinterpretation of the true meaning of this biblical prophesy. If this is taken to "condemn" Astrology then, by the same misguided logic, one would have to say that it also condemns "merchants". But it does not condemn them, it only says that they cannot save the King from the God of Israel. No human could save the King from God's plan; and later events proved this to be true, according to the account in the Bible.

Source [50% rule observed]: [link to www.astrologyzine.com]

The bible's commentary on STARS AS SIGNS FROM GOD:

Well the first point to make is along the line of ancient ET visitations, another topic that you will find references to, where he describes the "wheels within wheels" and the strange beings that appeared. To some, a fairly obvious description of craft landing. To others the book of Ezekiel is all about Astrology. For instance, Donna Preble writes: from
[link to www.theosophy-nw.org]

"Thus does the zodiac continue in the New Testament, and the four points in the tabernacle of Moses and the four cherubs of Ezekiel's wheels are repeated in the four Gospels or Evangels of the New Testament. In fact, the book of Ezekiel is pure astrology. Ezekiel, in his vision, sees in sublime form the Lords of the signs of the zodiac, the revolving planets, the constellations, and the angels of the four points -- the elements; in Aquarius, the man; Taurus, the ox; Leo, the lion; and Scorpio, the eagle.

The cross in Astrology, is the horizon axis which marks east-west and the MC/IC axis (North or Zenith, and South or Nadir). Planets that appear on or very close to these points take the highest of precedence in chart interpretation i.e., they have more weight and significance.

During the precessional age of that time, spring began when the sun entered Taurus, summer Leo, fall Scorpio, and winter Aquarius. Back then they were the four cardinal points of the Zodiac. Today however the cardinal points are now Aries, Cancer, Libra, and Capricorn. Thus to understand the references, know the times (Ages) that mark the season have since changed.

In Ezekiel 4:4-5 (I give you a day for a year) this is a reference to a type of standard Astrology technique called "progression" where the individual birth chart is advanced one degree for every year and used for interpreting how the chart advances throughout the lifetime. For example, let's assume you were born when the sun was 20 degrees before an exact conjunction with Jupiter. By Progession, the sun advances one degree each day, so in 20 years the progressed chart present the sun-jupiter conjunction, and that would present a scenario to be a very favorable year in that person's life.

Of course Astrology only presents a ort-of blueprint, planetary transits and progrssions reveal favorable or unfavorable climates ala timing, and the tendancy towards what might be thought of as destiny. All major events in one's life are mirrored in the heavens. Of course free will is always in the mix so the individual has the choice to take advantage of it lest they sit by and not take advantage of opportune times or be ignorant when to lay low until the storm passes.

Hope that helps a bit.

I get it, I get it now!!

It has been theorized, and discussed in a documentary film often aired on American public television (PBS), that this new "star" which the magi noticed in the Sign of Pisces was actually two large and bright planets, Jupiter and Saturn, appearing in the same place in the sky three times during the year 7 B.C., which would make those two "gas giant" planets look like one bright new "star" when they formed this "conjunction" and appeared to be very close together. A conjunction is a term used in both Astronomy and Astrology to signify the appearance of two heavenly bodies at the same location in the sky. (The planets are not actually IN the same place, they just appear that way because one is passing in front of the other, when viewed from our position on planet Earth.)

This auspicious conjunction first occured at the time of the ancient New Year which corresponded with the Spring Equinox, the first day of Spring. The constellation in which the Sun was located at sunrise on this day also happened to be a different constellation than in the previous 2160 years, which marks the beginning of a new astronomical Age.

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LOL Abraham taught astronomy to the Egyptians!! The priest caste were all astrologers!

I can't believe no one posted thing one yet... Here you go.

Zeitgeist - Religion

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nice rationalization (with research) but it's occult stuff and will lead either nowhere, or to bad things happening. we are to trust in the Lord with all our hearts -- the one who MADE the stars.

we need to pray for wisdom and discernment. and keep our eyes FIXED on Jesus Christ. the kingdoms that were way into this stuff fell remember? Babylon, Egypt; that's where it came from. it's corruption of ancient mazzaroth and cannot help us

it can at best be a useless diversion and at worst a foothold for the enemy

I strongly advise avoiding this stuff

love rb

first point,the sun separates the day from night,2nd point the sun marks the seasons as the greater light and the lesser light,3rd point the sun gives light to the earth.

It's clear from Isaiah that God detests astrologers. It's one thing to admire the celestial creation. It's another to look to them "to mark seasons and days and years." And it's yet another to look to them, instead of God, for prophecy of future events. When you do this, you are opening yourself up to demonic deception and possession. But just as Eve was free to the eat the apple anyway if she wanted to, you are free to disregard God's warning.

(2 Timothy 3)

7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.

The Bible as Zodiac claims debunked...................
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nice rationalization (with research) but it's occult stuff and will lead either nowhere, or to bad things happening. we are to trust in the Lord with all our hearts -- the one who MADE the stars.

we need to pray for wisdom and discernment. and keep our eyes FIXED on Jesus Christ. the kingdoms that were way into this stuff fell remember? Babylon, Egypt; that's where it came from. it's corruption of ancient mazzaroth and cannot help us

it can at best be a useless diversion and at worst a foothold for the enemy

I strongly advise avoiding this stuff

love rb

I really would like to make what might be considered a 'comprehensive' list of Astrological connections in the bible. I don't know what the ultimate point is, but I think it connects to the whole business with the "bible code" stuff...

I think the stories are untrue, but that the bible is a spell. The significant amounts of Astrology in it indicate some kind of ulterior motive in it, and perhaps if we can locate and understand these connections, we will learn what it's really saying (which is not what it appears on the surface).

Months come from moon cycles.

What indicates the 7 day cycles? Is there a change in the sun or something that indicates 7 day cycles?

Yes. It is interesting that as we approach the end of the age, we are being given BACK the additional zodiac symbol...

The moon's cycles aren't 12 per year, but 13.

The Mary Magdelene subject is one I wish to delve into deeper, as well... there's the virgo/virgin that we've already been given all along. The 12 names of the disciples are never given, except for a few.

The virgin has always been a part of the mythos, but the Crone/mother is frequently ignored (except by catholics--except they still view her as the virgin mother, not the crone).

Let me see if I can find the crone concept astrologically, will be back with that if I find it. And I'm going to look more closely at Opheuchus.