Bible contradiction proof + Citations

I always love when people mock someones beliefs...then has an equally outlandish belief.

I mean, I don't care what you believe...whatever floats your boat. But if you believe all that alien jazz maybe you shouldn't judge others beliefs

Last Edited by Evan03 on 03/22/2012 05:16 PM

So can you show me god's handwriting when he changed the name of his son to begin iwith a J instead of an I in a space of 70 years between the first edition of the KJV bible and the second. Who actually made this change.

God himself?

That is not at all what I asked...but ok.

To understand the Bible one must feel and live it, not simply read it. I find most people who 'read' the bible are almost always someone trying to justifying their life of sin.

A good example would be someone who goes to school to study constitutional law in order to find loopholes to hopefully someday exploit...

In addition, only those truthfully sorry for their sins will be forgiven. Those who simple 'speak the words', will be cast aside to be forgotten as dust. Those who believe they are gods "chosen people" yet enjoy their life of sin are in for a sad awakening during time of judgement.

Its quite simple. There is no room in heaven nor is there any reward of afterlife if your a scumbag. Twist the words any which way you can, this is just the way it is.

prayers sent for the lost

Wow ! Really ? How about picking the book up and reading it for once ? That is in reference to animal sacrifice . And I am pro-Law so I never take those verse out of context . Yeshua came to fulfill the Law and one way he did that was to annul the judgements so to the second verse you posted , we are not called to do that anymore , God alone will carry out the Judgements at the end of this age .

Ok :)

Ah yes now we have people quoting scripture at easch other. Good, perhaps they may find a contradiction this way.... or not.... I don't know.




Well, from what it appears is the definition of christians held by the majority its that they are kind hearted warm people who are more than willing to help their fellow man. So I guess that's the faith through works style. Based on that you can quickly see how many christians are that way. I personally think that the faith alone christians are the genuinely bad half. Why? Because you've given yourself a free ticket to not care about anyone ever if you believe you can be saved simply by believing. Doesn't mean you won't help people, but it far less likely that you will. So to me a "Good Christian" would have to be the faith by works type as they are the ones more likely to say... help you push your car out from a ditch. Also a faith by works might be more tolerant of other belief systems because in their minds it doesn't matter what you believe, you belies shines through in your works. So I think you'd have less religious warfare with genuine faith by works christians than you would with faith alone christians because in their minds if you're not believing in Jesus then you're damned to hell.




Faith alone christians seem far more likely to persecute than a faith by works christian.

Its not some belief. Its a rational conclusion you can come to after examining what happened in history, landmarks, artefacts, writings, data and current affairs. It is not based on faith but real life information.

For some reason it is forbidden to show you idiots that there is no contradictions.You do not read it in context.But we are not allowed to show you because you simply close your mind ears and eyes.

Oh yeah , thanks OP for the opportunity to teach a few things , that is God's signature too , bringing good out of bad . God bless you .

I spent so many years looking at the overall attitude of Christians that I didn't want any part of Christianity. I justified my turning away based on the things I saw Christians do or say, and never bothered to examine my own ways. If I had I would have realized long ago that I had no right to make such judgments because I myself am imperfect.

But I do trust that Jesus is faithful to finish the good work that HE has started in me.

We all fail in one way or another....(myself...I believe I've failed more often than most.) I learned to consider my own shortcomings when I want to point the finger at other believers. As far as applying the word to my life, I still fall short, but I do try, and I won't give up. As the bible says, "Be doers of the word and not hearers only deceiving your own selves."

Don't turn away because of what others are doing, and don't deny yourself the opportunity to know Jesus.
It's a poor excuse when you really think about it, and I tell you that from my own personal experience.

LOTS of errors here:

1) The Bible is a collection of 20+ ancient documents. In some cases one having little to do with another. If anyone represents this to you as a single book then they're already telling you they haven't a clue. The collection is bound together for ease of access and reference.

2) Old testament = JEWISH history. It is NOT the new testaments. Followers of Jesus do not necessarily believe in Genesis.

3) We're NOT CHRISTENS. Christen is a word outsiders used to label us. We are Disciples of Jesus. Christen is used in the Bible exactly THREE TIMES. Disciple is what Jesus referred to us as. We need to stop referring to ourselves as Christens as it pollutes our identity.

4)The new testament is far older than 1700 years. Anyone who things / believes this is simply wrong. John lived with Mary in his old age and knew / interviewed James (Jesus' brother) among others. Anyone who believes the documents in the Bible are only 1700 years old has been tricked by their lying leftist college professor.

5)Seriously...1700 years? Who the hell is spouting the pseudo intellectual bull-crap to you kids?

6)I've already posted how you have free-will and pre-destiny in your life. Also, how free-will has limits and God ALSO has boundaries. Please do a search as it's a long post. Essentially, "evil" is manifestation of free will and God can't eradicate that without killing who we are. So he's chosen a middle path, free will within bounds. A good engineering solution if ever there was one.

6a)Think about it for a second...you want to create living thinking creatures with free will. Can you eliminate evil? Nope...it's part of the package. God cannot prevent evil acts without destroying mankind...so he doesn't. Be he did send his avatar ("Son") down among us to try and lead us away from our worst behavior.

7)Living in an evolving universe does not preclude it's initial creation by God. Please research starting Entropy as a good place to find arrows pointing straight at a creator / designer.

8) The world can be 4 billion years old and the New Testament still holds fine. We usually get conflict when Disciples of Jesus start taking the Old Testament literally. This is not a good thing to do.

Your god is reactionary. He know's nada. And only changes as society changes. He doesnt know the hearts of men like he claimed to otherwise he would leave things to run its course.

Also.. gotta kill blasphemers like me too:

One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)

Also.. on Sunday, God needs you to go out and kill everyone working because, well, it's forbidden:

The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)

It's not proven either way. So to come to that conclusion requires faith.

Majority of the scientific community would disagree with that conclusion also.

Then again they would disagree with mine too.

Which brings back my point...you shouldn't mock what people believe, because no matter what it is, there is someone who thinks what you believe is as crazy as you feel about christians

So tired of people automatically labeling someone an atheist if they disagree with your religion.

Interesting. Being called an "idiot" by a jackass who doesn't know when to use the word "are" instead of "is."

Well, soo much about that statement is false that I will just leave it at that. I know God...I praise God because he blesses me everyday. I don't need your approval or for you to agree with me.

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It is not faith. It is rational thinking and logic. So much evidence these days with yet people still deny it.

Of Course George he can, and then he will pick it up. His ways and thoughts are not our ways and thoughts. Look up the "duality of light", Einstein proved God exists with this theory......he just could not but it in those words.


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Yea, you said that already. You dance around my points, so we can just agree to disagree. Or at least try to this time....

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If he created a rock that he couldn't lift... then he would therefore be imperfect and not a god because he couldn't lift it. If he could not create a rock he couldn't lift, then he again is imperfect and not a god because he couldn't create it.

Oh by the way, I'm not Christian because I don't see any reason to bow down and worship anyone or anything. but I also wouldn't class myself as Atheist either because technically I still hold a belief in "otherworldly" things despite the fact that I am taking a much more scientific approach to them instead being a dogmatic scientist and going "ghosts don't exist: and then never seeing if that's really true. Nor am I Agnostic because I'm not on the fence about any of it. As far as I'm concerned I'm just some dude at a computer making observations and trying to learn right now. That and nothing more.

well... it's been fun. time to go do something productive.

enjoy the debate.

God had to kill himself to appease himself so that He wouldn't have to roast us, (His beloved creations) alive for all eternity. He loves us more than we can comprehend but, if we don't love him back, He will send us to Hell to suffer forever and ever. That really is AMAZING GRACE!

Truly. And he knows everything but set out on a very questionable journey and a futile one.

I think we need another explanation for why we are here instead of that mumbo jumbo crap. If they want to keep that information a secret, fine. But at least dont take advantage of people's ignorance.

Last Edited by Ohwell on 03/22/2012 05:32 PM

Man there's so many replies coming into this all at once I can't keep up with them all. Sorry for that. But you guys seem to be doing just fine talking amongst yourselves anyways.

I have been a Bible believing Christian for over 35 years. I have spent time in church and out of church. I have spent years doubting my faith. And I have also spent years where I have experienced the true Spirit of God/Christ flowing through my life.

There are major differences within the churches and denominations as to whether or not they believe Scripture is the perfect word of God or not. Some Christians believe it is error-free and others believe it has some errors; but that the overall flow of the stories and documents reveal that God exists, that he is real, and that we have a spiritual significance while on earth and in the afterlife.

Christians are who they are because of their spiritual relationship with God and with Christ. True Christians have accepted the spirit of God/Christ within them. There is always a struggle between the divine nature and the human nature within all Christians. However, if you watch a true Christ-seeking Christian over time, you will see that -- over the years and over time -- they become more and more Christlike. It is a life-long spiritual process. And, if I may say so -- it is WORTH IT!

Believing that the Bible is error-free is not a requirement to be a Christian. It may be a requirement to be a member of a certain denomination.


So this is what I am trying to say: If you want to know what Christianity means -- then start your own search. Seek Christ yourself.

A good place to start is with the question....
"Who is Jesus Christ and what did he teach?"

Start with that question - because that is the question that is most central to Christianity.

Start reading the books of the Bible that tell about the life and teachings of Christ. Read the books of Matthew and Mark to start. Write down your thoughts and questions. Keep a journal of those thoughts and questions as you read. See what happens. Start with Christ and get to know the spirit of Christ (the Holy Spirit); and the Holy Spirit will lead you into all truth. Seek and you will find.

I watched the video

and I understand the nuance of how those verses works and in what context

they are not errors or contradictions

I won't waste my time typing here to unbelievers. The Bible isn't a simple story and there is much to understand to understand these verses.

I hope that you have the opportunity (and open mindedness) to study the Bible some day and find the truth in it

If you say you have not met any real believers who read the Bible and live by it's precepts, find some Christadelphians and study with them.