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dr.einstein User ID: 25192789 United States 10/13/2012 05:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Folks. don't lose sight of the fact that the Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25192789 sinkhole-and-cavern problem is only a small part of this whole thing. the fundamental problem with the "cavern" is that Texas Brine did not conform to established engineering standards when they were harvesting the brine from the cavern: they washed away too much of the salt structure from the sides of the cavern and thereby weakened the cavern structure to the point of causing collapse (which in turn puts the entire Napoleanville Salt Dome complex in jeopardy) the MOST HUGE part of the problem is that coincidentally with this salt dome fiasco, a deep reservoir of natural gas has decided to seep its way to the surface -- and it is this natural gas which coincidentally filled the Texas Brine "cavern". But! more importantly, all of this natural gas, which is leaking up from a reservoir deep in the earth's crust, is ALSO saturating all of the ground in southern louisiana -- and it is this "natural gas problem" that is the catastrophic component of the whole situation. I agree with you for the most part except for the Texas brine stuff, I think the bottom side of the cavern was melted by external water, either sea water or, the water left over by hydrolic fracturing. I think the second option due to shale coming in with it. The industry has a good scape goat to pay for everything for the moment, I wonder how many other companies will have expensive bills before this is over. the damn "cavern" (and the whole damn Napoleanville Salt Dome Complex, for that matter) is small potatoes compared to the Real Problem (which i stated so exquisitely). |
alexisj9 User ID: 1376880 United Kingdom 10/13/2012 05:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Folks. don't lose sight of the fact that the Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25192789 sinkhole-and-cavern problem is only a small part of this whole thing. the fundamental problem with the "cavern" is that Texas Brine did not conform to established engineering standards when they were harvesting the brine from the cavern: they washed away too much of the salt structure from the sides of the cavern and thereby weakened the cavern structure to the point of causing collapse (which in turn puts the entire Napoleanville Salt Dome complex in jeopardy) the MOST HUGE part of the problem is that coincidentally with this salt dome fiasco, a deep reservoir of natural gas has decided to seep its way to the surface -- and it is this natural gas which coincidentally filled the Texas Brine "cavern". But! more importantly, all of this natural gas, which is leaking up from a reservoir deep in the earth's crust, is ALSO saturating all of the ground in southern louisiana -- and it is this "natural gas problem" that is the catastrophic component of the whole situation. I agree with you for the most part except for the Texas brine stuff, I think the bottom side of the cavern was melted by external water, either sea water or, the water left over by hydrolic fracturing. I think the second option due to shale coming in with it. The industry has a good scape goat to pay for everything for the moment, I wonder how many other companies will have expensive bills before this is over. the damn "cavern" (and the whole damn Napoleanville Salt Dome Complex, for that matter) is small potatoes compared to the Real Problem (which i stated so exquisitely). I agree on that, just not on the blame game. Well unless your looking out to sea anyway. |
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dr.einstein User ID: 25192789 United States 10/13/2012 07:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | well, evacuating all of southern lousiana for the next 100 years, until the gas dissipates, is disaster enough for me. Quoting: dr.einstein I know what you mean. But, what would it take for such an order? I don't see it happening at this point; they aren't anywhere near declaring a widespread(ing) disaster area, even as the sinkhole(s) continues to spread...while new ones appear elsewhere. I've seen the failing trees, the water between stands which have yet to fall, roads 'dissolving' before our eyes, and, the pockets where people are getting sick. No one is going to order an evacuation unless some undeniable tragedy occurs, which manages to set off an alarm which will not turn off. well, keep in mind that i am talking about natural gas saturating ALL of the ground in southern louisiana. this catastrophe is just now getting started. and Bayou Corne just happens to be "ground zero". there is natural gas starting to percolate out of the ground all around Assumption Parish right now... so, maybe you can see how this thing might grow and grow until the natural gas engulfs all of southern louisiana (including New Orleans) (p.s. get your minds out of "sinkholes" for cry-sakes!) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 25450516 United States 10/13/2012 07:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One option I can think of is the citizens of LA organize and collect and share data themselves. Waiting for anyone who is paid to do a job is to expect mediocrity, as those who come from the heart will use a above average or exceptional approach because they care and it matters to them. Barter your skills, one can collect while one calculates the data, and another performs data entry, etc. It's obvious that the gov. at all levels doesn't care, but we do... Create a risk back up plan so all can be accounted for to ensure their safety. p.s. yes, this happens at GLP - in this thread and similar ones, but the local approach would be the brains/nerve center Posted this on another thread, maybe this is probably happening already...I would like to thank all you people for giving a damn, you who have been doing research/due diligence. I haven't contributed but I have been trying to educate and pass on the word as much as possible. All of your hard work is not going unnoticed - you are beautiful people! If awareness is wide spread it adds more talent and abilities to an effort - and strengthens us as people who care about our beautiful planet, the grandmother of all. It gives me hope that such caring individuals exist among the noise and haste... |
dr.einstein User ID: 25192789 United States 10/13/2012 08:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One option I can think of is the citizens of LA organize and collect and share data themselves. Waiting for anyone who is paid to do a job is to expect mediocrity, as those who come from the heart will use a above average or exceptional approach because they care and it matters to them. Barter your skills, one can collect while one calculates the data, and another performs data entry, etc. It's obvious that the gov. at all levels doesn't care, but we do... Create a risk back up plan so all can be accounted for to ensure their safety. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25450516 p.s. yes, this happens at GLP - in this thread and similar ones, but the local approach would be the brains/nerve center Posted this on another thread, maybe this is probably happening already...I would like to thank all you people for giving a damn, you who have been doing research/due diligence. I haven't contributed but I have been trying to educate and pass on the word as much as possible. All of your hard work is not going unnoticed - you are beautiful people! If awareness is wide spread it adds more talent and abilities to an effort - and strengthens us as people who care about our beautiful planet, the grandmother of all. It gives me hope that such caring individuals exist among the noise and haste... well, GLP happens to be the Bulletin Board to the World. so, why re-invent the wheel? GLP IS the Information Clearing-House of the World. so, tell all yer friends to come and post any knowledge they might have to these threads. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 24401581 United States 10/13/2012 09:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Has anyone evrer noticed when threads really start developing good info, these pissing matches/shill/Disinfo/confusing BS/ paranoia starts....lol Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8637765 so where is all this good info you're talking about? names, corporations, specifics? all I see is DAWG and the usual shill bots hiding behind different avatars doing 3rd grade nursery rhymes. ewww, great info. Fuck off pin head! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 18361837 United Kingdom 10/13/2012 09:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | WOW! Looks like we got too close again and the shills came out in full force! My favorite was Dr. Whatever the heck his name is calling SiniXster a shill! that's a good one! Let's set the record straight for those that are 'new' or haven't followed the whole thread...if SiniXster says something you best LISTEN! And for the folks claiming 'role playing'..I know, it's so horrible of a situation it's hard to take it all in. We understand, it's ok, ignorance is blizz. Go ahead and go on with your day then and leave the thread. For I assure the rest of you THIS IS NO GAME. Now for those seeking the truth, let's get back to fact finding. Quoting: SkinnyChic hey look, its radchick w' her different avatar. Shit for brains! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 25510440 United States 10/13/2012 10:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | there is natural gas starting to percolate out of the Quoting: dr.einstein ground all around Assumption Parish right now... so, maybe you can see how this thing might grow and grow until the natural gas engulfs all of southern louisiana (including New Orleans) And into Texas, up to Arkansas and New Madrid . . . Add to that the theory that Synthia is entering aquifers and water supply . . . Yikes, double yikes, triple yikes . . . |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 12487521 United States 10/13/2012 10:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Federal officials said late Friday they have approved a joint plan from BP and Transocean to identify the source of a sheen in the Gulf Of Mexico associated with the 2010 Deepwater Horizon oil spill. [link to theadvocate.com] |
dr.einstein User ID: 25192789 United States 10/13/2012 10:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Federal officials said late Friday they have approved a joint plan from BP and Transocean to identify the source of a sheen in the Gulf Of Mexico associated with the 2010 Deepwater Horizon oil spill. Quoting: Paa Tal [link to theadvocate.com] BP says that there is always oily scum floating around in the Gulf, and that this is nothing to be concerned about. |
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1908247 User ID: 25483988 Brazil 10/13/2012 10:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I sense something is about to happen.. I wonder if we will get any warning ahead of it.. I hope you are wrong. Things are bad enough as they are. I hope for the best too. By 15th November I believe much will be unraveling though.. just a huntch. You guys are doing a nice work btw! Keep it up! Nus |
dr.einstein User ID: 25192789 United States 10/13/2012 10:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | crude oil in the stinkhole? well, since all of the natural gas percolating out of the ground (in Assumption Parish) is coming from a pressurized natural gas reservoir deep in the Earth's crust: it makes perfectly good sense that there would also be some crude oil associated with this natural gas reservoir and that some of the crude oil is being pushed to the surface along with the natural gas. |
alexisj9 User ID: 1376880 United Kingdom 10/13/2012 11:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | crude oil in the stinkhole? Quoting: dr.einstein well, since all of the natural gas percolating out of the ground (in Assumption Parish) is coming from a pressurized natural gas reservoir deep in the Earth's crust: it makes perfectly good sense that there would also be some crude oil associated with this natural gas reservoir and that some of the crude oil is being pushed to the surface along with the natural gas. I was wondering when you would pick up the oil part. What you say make sense on this, just a question though. Are you connecting this gas to what happened in the gulf, or is it just something that has decided to happen, possibly because of earth changes due to that energy band thing? |
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TeamReaper User ID: 22030141 United States 10/14/2012 12:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ConocoPhillips (2010) The Role of the Mississippi in Deltaic Research: Page 30, estimated Louisiana coastline 2100 [link to www.searchanddiscovery.com] In every operation, whether planning it or executing it, you can never count on luck; but you have to accept it, and recognize it when it’s there. -Major ******, U-2 Pilot/Instructor/Flight Commander |
TeamReaper User ID: 22030141 United States 10/14/2012 12:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Interesting map: [link to 0.tqn.com] In every operation, whether planning it or executing it, you can never count on luck; but you have to accept it, and recognize it when it’s there. -Major ******, U-2 Pilot/Instructor/Flight Commander |
TeamReaper User ID: 22030141 United States 10/14/2012 12:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Soil Pollution, Chemical Weapons (page 161 - BZ and Phosgene): [link to books.google.com] In every operation, whether planning it or executing it, you can never count on luck; but you have to accept it, and recognize it when it’s there. -Major ******, U-2 Pilot/Instructor/Flight Commander |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 18962231 United States 10/14/2012 01:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You guys were told about this weeks ago. Not unexpected. Horrible, not good, potentially devastating, and only a precursor but yeah, you were told. Dawgs right again. Not that we're happy about that. Thread: Must See: Crude oil now covers much of giant sinkhole — Flowing into surrounding area (ENHANCED PHOTO) (Page 5) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 25524761 United States 10/14/2012 01:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Coon Dawg here. Hiya! Here's an update. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18962231 You guys were told about this weeks ago. Not unexpected. Horrible, not good, potentially devastating, and only a precursor but yeah, you were told. Dawgs right again. Not that we're happy about that. Thread: Must See: Crude oil now covers much of giant sinkhole — Flowing into surrounding area (ENHANCED PHOTO) (Page 5) Either you're "dawg" or not . . . but it's the same vague, cryptic re-hash of what OTHERS here have already posted. Sheesh. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 18962231 United States 10/14/2012 01:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We don't care about credit. We do however want to emphasize our record of accuracy. So that the warnings will be taken seriously. Those who have followed this since inception know how accurate OP, East Texas, and the Dawgs have been. Linking to new "confirmed" info that verifies previous "barks" from the Dawgs is not rude or presumptuous or even lazy. When the warning comes people need to have a reasonable expectation is legitimacy, because there will be no official warning, just an after-the-fact "oh my god". You have been warned. |
amachiavellian User ID: 20940257 Canada 10/14/2012 01:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | NEW ORLEANS (AP) — Federal officials have approved a joint plan from BP and Transocean to identify the source of a sheen in the Gulf Of Mexico associated with the 2010 Deepwater Horizon oil spill. Quoting: Nika Officials said in a news release late Friday that the federal on-site coordinator approved the joint plan on Thursday. Coast Guard Capt. Duke Walker had required the plan, and federal officials had informed BP and Transocean they might be held responsible for the costs of identifying the source and the cleanup. [link to www.usatoday.com] Absurd. Face it, we're never going to know what the hell is going on until they want us too. I'm just going to keep posting this video. Not because I'm a huge JV fan, but because of what they found. It really is unbelievable. 27:35 or if you're really impatient, 31:20 — read for knowledge, not answers. |
TeamReaper User ID: 22030141 United States 10/14/2012 01:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He you go GLP, you should get an idea of how big this is (if you dont already) FAULTING, SUBSIDENCE AND LAND LOSS IN COASTAL LOUISIANA (1999) [link to www.coastalenv.com] Page 54: Look in "Mega Block II" - find verret lake, look where the E-W growth system fault is. its just north of the L. Sands - Frenier (SW-NE fault). Page 57: "Vertical adjustments to gravity induced earth movement and isostatic down-warping also occur along fault planes. Cumulative displacement on growth faults and episodic changes in subsidence rates support this conclusion. Much, if not most of the vertical adjustment takes place along fault planes. Therefore, fault induced or geotechnical subsidence, as it has been used in the literature, is a major contributing factor to relative sea level rise. This paper identifies the importance of fault movement, the locations and types of major faults, and identifies blocks bound by the major faults...Geotechnical subsidence occurs as movement along circular patterns of faults, which circumscribe collapse features, and along linear growth faults. Collapse features may be induced by salt depletion at depth and/or sediment loading at the surface. Movement along growth faults occurs in response to compaction, geosynclinal downwarping and gravity slumping." "The origin and locations of major growth faults are related to basement topography and earth crust movements. Once established they become zones of weakness where vertical displacement in response to sediment loading occurs. Cumulative displacement of beds indicates that some have been active since Cretaceous times. Thus, the down-thrown blocks of growth faults become depressions which "attract" deposition, and in turn cause movement on the faults." "coastal region is divided into a mosaic of massive fault-bound blocks. Movement of the blocks is similar to mass movement along the delta front, but on a larger scale and over a longer time period. Some blocks are moving and slumping into the deep Gulf of Mexico through a process of gravity induced slumping which is occurring on a massive scale along the continental margin. "Until recently, fault movement in the coastal lowlands was masked and went unnoticed because of accretion processes. However, within the last 40 years the effects of fault movement have become more evident because of increased rates of sinking and reduction of accretion processes. Fault traces have become visibly delineated by patterns of land loss and marsh deterioration." "Baton Rouge Fault System, located along the rim of the Gulf Salt Dome Basin, is active and has caused structural damage to building foundations and bridges. Some minor earthquake activity may be related to movement along this fault system. A zone of intensive faulting (Lake Borgne Fault Zone) occurs between the Lake Sand-Frenier and Mauvais Bois alignments." THIS AREA INCLUDES ASSUMPTION PARISH Last Edited by TeamReaper on 10/14/2012 01:39 AM In every operation, whether planning it or executing it, you can never count on luck; but you have to accept it, and recognize it when it’s there. -Major ******, U-2 Pilot/Instructor/Flight Commander |