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WORLD at WAR, Official 2012 Thread (TO BE CONTINUED) Israel, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, PA, Egypt, Libya, Pakistan, North Korea, Russia, China, U.S.

 
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it was pretty obvious...but now it's been officially confirmed...

The Tweet that can't be named -

#BREAKING: #Iran has send military aid to #Hamas in #Gaza, speaker Ali Larijani said. via @AFP

Mohammad Davari (@modavari)
11/21/12, 7:07 AM
#Iran sent military aid to #Hamas, parliamentary speaker confirms @AFP #BREAKING #Gaza
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Odds and Ends (But it all comes together)...

Last night there was an escalation in the tensions between Iraqi Kurdistan & Iraq....In the last couple of years, Iraqi Kurdistan has had greatly improved relations with Turkey (it always had good relations w/ US)...Iraq is now w/I Iran's sphere of influence. The current tensions may be coincidental, but I see them as a way to pin the not-so-reasonable Iraqi gov't of Nouri al Maliki down during any attack on Iran...

Thread: WTF - War In Iraqi Kurdistan?

The Washington Post reported that calm is returning to Jordan and the protests are de-escalating...This, in part, has been due to quite reasonable positions adopted by Jordan's MB (we don't want to replace the King - we just want reform) and new financial support from Egypt & the GCC...This means that Israel will have one relatively stable neighbor....

Thread: Jordan Protests - Game Changer - Moslem Brotherhood TRYING TO SAVE Jordan's King? (Page 5)

In case you haven't been following it, the Syrian rebels have created a new political structure, which was quickly recognized by Europe & they made some impressive military gains in the last week (seizing several military bases). Assad is in no position to take on Syria and a large number of Hezbollah military leaders have recently died in Syria...

I don't have a thread on Syria...(but Google news can give you background)

As many have noted on this thread, the Gaza strikes have greatly reduced Hamas's rocket stockpile & ability to strike Israel (particularly the longer range rockets)

Then, this morning, Iran admitted it has been arming Hamas...

It seems like the forces have aligned the make a strike on Iran feasible...once you have a ceasefire w/ Hamas....

Then, a female al-Fatah bomber potentially torpedoes the ceasefire....

Who made that chess move?
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Thanks for the updates DD.
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Some recent updates for Israel.


Ambassador Oren tweets: Our thoughts and prayers are...with the people of Israel (Haaretz)
15:12Rocket alert sounded in Nahal Oz (Haaretz)
15:0951 rockets fired at south Israel so far on Wednesday (Haaretz)
14:54Palestinians report four killed in IDF strikes on Beit Hanoun and Nuseirat refugee camp (Haaretz)
14:49Palestinian sources in Cairo: No truce Wednesday due to disagreement over Gaza blockade (Haaretz)
14:46IDF assassinates Hamas activist in the northern Gaza Strip (Haaretz)
14:36Netanyahu's forum of nine senior ministers meeting on Gaza escalation and TA bus blast (Haaretz)
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Over 40 Gaza tunnels were bombed today alone in Israel. There will be a limited lull in materials getting through into Gaza, but in the long run, many more tunnels will be dug and many more fishing boats launched to pick up special prized Iranian fish. The current ceasefire talks are about dead, but more talk of a truce will come. More terror bombings will come.
At least Israel could buy some time to clean the Mideast house of Iran, before seriously considering some arrangement for a lasting peace. However the best way to create a lasting peace is to have a major military defeat of the enemies.
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The dangerous success of Iron Dome
You can bet that even as Hamas and its sponsors are recovering from the shock of clanging into Israel’s new missile shield, they are contemplating fresh ways to kill us. Those drafting the Pillar of Defense ceasefire terms mustn’t make it easy for them

[link to www.timesofisrael.com]








The Iron Dome is a game changer. If anything, now Hamas, Hezbollah, and their keepers, Iran, will need to develop more deadly means of attacking Israel, ie chemical and biological weapons.
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Good morning friends -

Dropping in to get caught up on the last few hours
Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee:
8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee.
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7 injured by rocket in Eshkol
Published: 11.21.12, 17:39 / Israel News

Seven people were injured by a rocket fired on the Eshkol Regional Council. One sustained moderate injuries while two others were lightly hurt. The remaining victims' conditions were not immediately clear. (Ilana Curiel and Yoav Zitun)
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Israel expected to announce unilateral ceasefire

[link to www.ynetnews.com]
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Israel expected to announce unilateral ceasefire

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really!?
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Israel expected to announce unilateral ceasefire

[link to www.ynetnews.com]
 Quoting: MIL MAN


really!?
 Quoting: Swinburnian


I can't really see that happening.

Ynet can be a great messenger of disinformation - large grain of salt should be taken with anything from them.
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Israel expected to announce unilateral ceasefire

[link to www.ynetnews.com]
 Quoting: MIL MAN


really!?
 Quoting: Swinburnian


There is a good chance, reasoning of course is what I picked last night out of a quote from Bib's office. Israel has already hit more locations in Gaza than all of Castlead. The Israeli leadership feels that the have met their objectives until the next event which will not be Gaza.
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Israel expected to announce unilateral ceasefire

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that would be an insanely stupid idea
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Cease Fire 1dunno1 No Ceasefire rant tpanyone believe ....C.C
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Great Jorb MILMAN ! ....C.C The soldier seems to be non-stop clappa
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Israel expected to announce unilateral ceasefire

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 Quoting: MIL MAN


that would be an insanely stupid idea
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It would be insane, but if there is no signed deal and Israel simply announces it will cease fire, then if additional rockets come flying, the political leaders will then feel justified to go on land into Gaza. Politics in war never works and never looks good.

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Great Jorb MILMAN ! ....C.C The soldier seems to be non-stop clappa
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hf

Thanks.

This is the quieter thread but for a reason.
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Israel expected to announce unilateral ceasefire

[link to www.ynetnews.com]
 Quoting: MIL MAN


that would be an insanely stupid idea
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It would be insane, but if there is no signed deal and Israel simply announces it will cease fire, then if additional rockets come flying, the political leaders will then feel justified to go on land into Gaza. Politics in war never works and never looks good.

slaphim
 Quoting: MIL MAN


VOILA!

Officials: Israel will continue to negotiate ceasefire
A security cabinet meeting on the attempts to reach a ceasefire in Gaza has concluded. State sources say Israel intends to continue the negotiations in an effort to garner international support for a future Israeli operation that is to be launched if Hamas violates the terms of the truce.

[link to www.ynetnews.com]
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11/21/12, 11:01 AM
YALLA RT @DannyNis BREAKING: Israel cabinet finishes meeting- announces no chance for unilateral ceasefire- waiting for word from #Egypt
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Egypt confiscates warheads smuggled from Libya

CAIRO (AP) - Egyptian authorities confiscated trucks carrying explosive warheads and a variety of small-arms ammunition smuggled from Libya, security officials said Wednesday.

A flood of weapons from its western neighbor has added to Egypt's security concerns as police have yet to fully return to their duties since last year's uprising. Smuggled weapons often fall into the hands of Islamist militants in the Sinai Peninsula, or pass via underground tunnels to the Gaza Strip, the site of fierce fighting over the past week between Hamas militants and Israeli forces.

The Egyptian officials said authorities seized the pick-up trucks, carrying 108 warheads for Soviet-designed Grad rockets, near Marsa Matrouh, 270 miles (430 kilometers) northwest of Cairo on the Mediterranean coast. Suspected smugglers had fled the scene.

[link to m.apnews.com]

108 Grad Rockets!!! Is Gerry around? I googled GRAD and saw everything from small hand-held rockets large truck mounted rockets...

What kind of Grads did they seize?
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They will
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Maybe not
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CPT:

Looks like they rejected it Sir.

Israel rejects unilateral Gaza truce
DEBKAfile November 21, 2012, 6:01 PM (GMT+02:00)
The inner security cabinet of nine ministers headed by the Israeli prime minister ended a long meeting Tuesday with a decision to reject proposals for a unilateral ceasefire. The UN secretary Ban Ki-moon returned to Israel from Cairo with a report for Binyamin Netanyahu.


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NEGATIVE THAT SIR:

Instead, they may just stop firing.

Sources: Multilateral ceasefire to be reached tonight
[link to www.ynetnews.com]
Published: 11.21.12, 18:15
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Found the chess player who tried to scuttle the cease fire...(maybe)

Erin Cunningham (@erinmcunningham)
11/21/12, 11:22 AM
Tel Aviv bomb RT @DaliaHatuqa A small group by name of Jihad Jibril Brigades belonging to Popular Front- General Command claimed responsible

DavidKenner (@DavidKenner)
11/21/12, 11:25 AM
@erinmcunningham @DaliaHatuqa PFLP-GC is an Assad-controlled Palestinian group, poor Jihad killed in Beirut number of years ago.
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1dunno1 maybe ...C.C cool2
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Found the chess player who tried to scuttle the cease fire...(maybe)

Erin Cunningham (@erinmcunningham)
11/21/12, 11:22 AM
Tel Aviv bomb RT @DaliaHatuqa A small group by name of Jihad Jibril Brigades belonging to Popular Front- General Command claimed responsible

DavidKenner (@DavidKenner)
11/21/12, 11:25 AM
@erinmcunningham @DaliaHatuqa PFLP-GC is an Assad-controlled Palestinian group, poor Jihad killed in Beirut number of years ago.
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didn't the al aqsa brigades claim responsiblity?
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Found the chess player who tried to scuttle the cease fire...(maybe)

Erin Cunningham (@erinmcunningham)
11/21/12, 11:22 AM
Tel Aviv bomb RT @DaliaHatuqa A small group by name of Jihad Jibril Brigades belonging to Popular Front- General Command claimed responsible

DavidKenner (@DavidKenner)
11/21/12, 11:25 AM
@erinmcunningham @DaliaHatuqa PFLP-GC is an Assad-controlled Palestinian group, poor Jihad killed in Beirut number of years ago.
 Quoting: DarbyDoom


didn't the al aqsa brigades claim responsiblity?
 Quoting: Swinburnian


members of both al aqsa brigade (al Fatah movement) & Hamas have claimed responsibility; officials from both organizations refuted those claims...

Before this newest claim, Journalists were suggesting it was a "lone wolf" attack - but I would presume it would be difficult for one girl living in the West Bank to make a bomb...
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Haaretz.com (@haaretzcom)
11/21/12, 11:33 AM
Released for publication: The four #Israelis wounded in Eshkol Regional Council were #IDF soldiers
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a ceasefire from Israel right now or at any point in the near future would be a political disaster in my mind, there is no way Hamas will ever keep their word, it will simply be another "reloading" period.

If bibi goes ahead with this he's not the leader I thought he was and I feel it perhaps would be best to elect someone else to prime minister in the coming election.





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