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Laura Bow User ID: 1158661 United States 11/15/2012 08:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I agree with Laura on this Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1302314 The vegan/vegetarian lifestyle is being pushed by monsanto and big GM firms. The idea is to get people off meat and into GM grown beans/corn watch as price of meat will keep rising. Also Google Moringa, it's a plant that makes you infertile. They plan to plant large amounts of it in Africa for people to eat. You're right about this, Monsanto is heavily into modified soy and corn, eek! |
weasel keeper User ID: 15395274 United States 11/15/2012 08:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Meat eaters are stronger and smarter. OP do you wish for our children to become weak dumbtards? Quoting: Politicas i am the strongest, fastest and i have the most stamina at my workplace out of a sesonal crew of 300 people all being vineyard laborers! and i have an IQ of 160 as of last week! Wild Weasels? You've got to be shitting me! |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 4901221 Australia 11/15/2012 08:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the worlds oldest recorded man was Habib Mian who died in 2008, he was 138 years old and he claimed he was vegetarian for 120 years of his life! exsplain that one! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4901221 No one lives past 120. Except Obama voters. look it up! ithats why i gave the details! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 19671181 Australia 11/15/2012 08:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Meat eaters are stronger and smarter. OP do you wish for our children to become weak dumbtards? Quoting: Politicas i am the strongest, fastest and i have the most stamina at my workplace out of a sesonal crew of 300 people all being vineyard laborers! and i have an IQ of 160 as of last week! The top ten most powerful animals on earth do not eat meat |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 4901221 Australia 11/15/2012 08:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | btw op is a man! and nobody that knows me would dare say that vegetarianism is for weak, pale, skiny girls. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4901221 Out of curiosity, can you describe a typical menu of what you eat in a day/week? Where does the protein come from? i get my usable protein from the same foods that you get 95 percent of your usable protein from! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 10743136 United States 11/15/2012 08:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | btw op is a man! and nobody that knows me would dare say that vegetarianism is for weak, pale, skiny girls. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4901221 ok. I know you are on crack. dude, i eat meat. i tried veggie shit before and my weight liftin suffered. put meat back in and bam....100 pounds more on the bench. so bullshit. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 10743136 United States 11/15/2012 08:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Meat eaters are stronger and smarter. OP do you wish for our children to become weak dumbtards? Quoting: Politicas i am the strongest, fastest and i have the most stamina at my workplace out of a sesonal crew of 300 people all being vineyard laborers! and i have an IQ of 160 as of last week! The top ten most powerful animals on earth do not eat meat ok, so we eat half of the top ten most powerful animals....your point is? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27738226 United States 11/15/2012 08:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've cut my animal protein consumption at least 50% in the last 10 years and am in noticeably better condition than when eating average levels of meat. I now consider myself vegetarian as I get most of my protein from eggs, dairy and fish, with small amounts of red meat occasionally. I suppose it's the fact meat makes the blood acidic, which has to be buffered by critical minerals robbed from various organs and muscles. It also requires much "energy" to digest which has to be diverted from other critical body functions. I don't go full vegan because I do believe in balance, but do credit the move away from heavy meat consumption for much improved overall health, while noticing other people my age falling prey to various ills. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 4901221 Australia 11/15/2012 09:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Meat eaters are stronger and smarter. OP do you wish for our children to become weak dumbtards? Quoting: Politicas i am the strongest, fastest and i have the most stamina at my workplace out of a sesonal crew of 300 people all being vineyard laborers! and i have an IQ of 160 as of last week! The top ten most powerful animals on earth do not eat meat daim strait! go ask a bull where he gets his protien and see how far that gets you! |
Laura Bow User ID: 1158661 United States 11/15/2012 09:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | btw op is a man! and nobody that knows me would dare say that vegetarianism is for weak, pale, skiny girls. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4901221 Out of curiosity, can you describe a typical menu of what you eat in a day/week? Where does the protein come from? i get my usable protein from the same foods that you get 95 percent of your usable protein from! Okay...I am asking for a typical menu from YOU, so...unless you're focusing on a low carb diet like me, I doubt you're obtaining usable protein from animals (and a bit from plants) like myself. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 10743136 United States 11/15/2012 09:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've cut my animal protein consumption at least 50% in the last 10 years and am in noticeably better condition than when eating average levels of meat. I now consider myself vegetarian as I get most of my protein from eggs, dairy and fish, with small amounts of red meat occasionally. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27738226 I suppose it's the fact meat makes the blood acidic, which has to be buffered by critical minerals robbed from various organs and muscles. It also requires much "energy" to digest which has to be diverted from other critical body functions. I don't go full vegan because I do believe in balance, but do credit the move away from heavy meat consumption for much improved overall health, while noticing other people my age falling prey to various ills. this is sensible. because we are omnivores. need veggies for certain nutrients. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1302314 Australia 11/15/2012 09:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If fish was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for me. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17238890 Also, if hunting wild game was good enough for the Native Americans (and all other natives) then it's good enough for me. They were some pretty healthy, and badass, folk. Exactly I don't care what other's think, but meat is good. Eat it while it's still available. You will regret not eating it in about 5 years, when meat becomes too expensive. GM and MONSANTO are all about putting the world population onto beans and corn. That is part of the depopulation agenda..(only one part of it) also notice how it's VEGANS and VEGETARIANS who push their AGENDA onto everyone? a good portion of them are MONSANTO trolls and the rest are deluded. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27316608 Canada 11/15/2012 09:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Meat eaters are stronger and smarter. OP do you wish for our children to become weak dumbtards? Quoting: Politicas i am the strongest, fastest and i have the most stamina at my workplace out of a sesonal crew of 300 people all being vineyard laborers! and i have an IQ of 160 as of last week! The top ten most powerful animals on earth do not eat meat Plankton, is meat. Therefore: Blue whale, humpback whale, sperm whale, colossal squid, giant squid, orca, whale shark, maco shark, tiger shark, great white- are all meat eating animals currently alive, which are pound for pound stronger than an elephant. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27316608 Canada 11/15/2012 09:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Meat eaters are stronger and smarter. OP do you wish for our children to become weak dumbtards? Quoting: Politicas i am the strongest, fastest and i have the most stamina at my workplace out of a sesonal crew of 300 people all being vineyard laborers! and i have an IQ of 160 as of last week! The top ten most powerful animals on earth do not eat meat daim strait! go ask a bull where he gets his protien and see how far that gets you! I just looked up the top 10 strongest land animals. Only 5 out of 10 are vegan. The bear in the list eats meat, the snakes eat meat. Technically, Gorillas do snack on small prey from time to time..... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 11541429 United States 11/15/2012 09:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | vegan for the win Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15544651 i dont get sick, you meat eaters better go get your flu shots, and take some more years off your life Hmmm, I'm a carnivore and I never get sick, what is your point? Some of you need to go research what happens to your body if you go without animal proteins for a long enough period! Good luck with your veggies and don't forget to take your vitamins! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 11541429 United States 11/15/2012 09:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Humans need protein and fat to survive, humans do not need carbohydrates. The body can convert protein to sugar if needed. I'm not saying vegetables are bad, but neither is meat, aside from maybe pork and processed meats like hot dogs. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24433009 Shit, a study just came out that the nitrates in processed meat are turned into cancer causing agents in the stomach! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 8436480 United States 11/15/2012 09:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Please keep this thread going until tomorrow. I want to respond but have had too much wine to do so tonight. Let me just say that the vegitards, by their own arguments alone, have proved just how damaging a vegetarian diet is to the human brain and its associated neurophysiological function. |
Dr. Acula Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 78102 United States 11/15/2012 09:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Someone taught me if you can't walk up to that animal and kill with your teeth then you're not supposed to eat it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23490588 uhhhhh you can kill 99% of all living things with your teeth... but thats not the point... you have these things called hands... and you have a brain that gives you the cognitive ability to use said hands to make tools/weapons so you can kill the other 1% Last Edited by Dr. Acula on 11/15/2012 09:37 PM _______________________ |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27841074 United States 11/15/2012 09:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Although some historians and anthropologists say that man is historically omnivorous, our anatomical equipment * teeth, jaws, and digestive system favors a fleshless diet. The American Dietetic Association notes that "most of mankind for most of human history has lived on vegetarian or near-vegetarian diets." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4901221 And much of the world still lives that way. Even on most industrialized countries, the love affair with meat is less than a hundred years old. It started with the refrigerator car and the twentieth-century consumer society. But even with the twentieth century, man's body hasn't adapted to eating meat. The prominent Swedish scientist Karl von Linne states, "Man's structure, external and internal, compared with that of the other animals, shows that fruit and succulent vegetables constitute his natural food." The chart below compares the anatomy of man with that of carnivorous and herbivorous animals. When you look at the comparison between herbivores and humans, we compare much more closely to herbivores than meat eating animals. Humans are clearly not designed to digest and ingest meat. Meat-eaters: have claws Herbivores: no claws Humans: no claws Meat-eaters: have no skin pores and perspire through the tongue Herbivores: perspire through skin pores Humans: perspire through skin pores Meat-eaters: have sharp front teeth for tearing, with no flat molar teeth for grinding Herbivores: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding Humans: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding Meat-eaters: have intestinal tract that is only 3 times their body length so that rapidly decaying meat can pass through quickly Herbivores: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length. Humans: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length. Meat-eaters: have strong hydrochloric acid in stomach to digest meat Herbivores: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater Humans: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater Meat-eaters: salivary glands in mouth not needed to pre-digest grains and fruits. Herbivores: well-developed salivary glands which are necessary to pre-digest grains and fruits Humans: well-developed salivary glands, which are necessary to pre-digest, grains and fruits Meat-eaters: have acid saliva with no enzyme ptyalin to pre-digest grains Herbivores: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains Humans: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains Based on a chart by A.D. Andrews, Fit Food for Men, (Chicago: American Hygiene Society, 1970) Clearly if humans were meant to eat meat we wouldn't have so many crucial ingestive/digestive similarities with animals that are herbivores. Many people ask me, "If we weren't supposed to eat meat than why do we?". It is because we are conditioned to eat meat. Also, the ADA (American Dietetic Association) tells us that "most of mankind for most of human history has lived on a vegetarian or Lacto-ovo vegetarian diet." A popular statement that meat eaters say is; "In the wild, animals kill other animals for food. It's a part of nature." First of all, we are not in the wild. Secondly, we can easily live without eating meat and killing. We all would be healthier this way. Finally, as I have already shown, we weren't meant to eat meat. Meat putrefies within 4 hours after consumption and the remnants cling to the walls of the intestines for 14-21 days. If a person is suffering from constipation the rotting meat can stay in the intestines for months or years. Furthermore, the saliva in humans is more alkaline, whereas in the case of flesh-eating or preying animals, it is clearly acidic. The alkaline saliva does not act properly on meat. The final point I would like to make on how we as humans were not meant to eat meat is this; all omnivorous and carnivorous animals eat their meat raw. When a lion kills an herbivore for food, it tears right into the stomach area to eat the organs that are filled with blood (nutrients). While eating the stomach, liver, intestine, etc., the lion laps the blood in the process of eating the dead animal's flesh. Even bears that are omnivores eat salmon raw. However, eating raw bloody meat disgust us as humans. This is why we must cook it and season it to buffer the taste of the flesh. If a deer is burned in a forest fire a carnivorous animal will NOT eat its flesh. Even circus lions have to be feed raw meat so that they will not starve to death. If humans were truly meant to eat meat then we would eat all of our meat raw and bloody. The thought of eating such meat makes one’s stomach turn. This is my point on how we as humans are conditioned to believe that animal flesh is good for us and that we were meant to consume it for survival and health purposes. If we are true carnivores or omnivores we would eat animal flesh raw and bloody. Cooking our meat and seasoning it with salt, ketchup, mayo, mustard or tabasco sauce disguise the awful taste of flesh. This is the only way we as humans would eat meat because we refuse to eat it raw and bloody like real carnivores. Overall advantages of vegetarianism You can reap a lot of benefits by being a vegetarian and people have become more aware of the health benefits of being a vegetarian. Animal rights issues is only one of the reasons why people decide to go on a vegetarian diet. People are beginning to care more about the environment. However, the main reason why most people go on vegetarian diet is due to the health benefits. Meat is not good for you as it clogs your thinking. This is especially true if you eat red meat; white meat has less fat compared to red meat. Excessive intake of fats into your body can result in having a high level of cholesterol. If you think that not eating meat is going to make you look scrawny or unhealthy please think again. Just imagine that cows, goats, gorillas, elephants, rhinoceroses and so on are all vegetarians (herbivores) but look at how tough these animals are. They also have a longer life span compared to the carnivores (meat eating animals). If you look at the chicken and vulture (carnivores), these animals eat just about everything and notice how unhealthy these animals look. The Chinese believe that the chi or life force in your body is less when you consume meat and so do the Indians with their ancient yogic principles [their life force was called prana]. The great Tai Chi masters of China were adept at preserving their chi. Even though some of the masters were not vegetarians they still had a balanced diet. It has now been scientifically proven that a balanced vegetarian diet is better compared to a diet that is taken with meat. There are a lot of misconceptions about being a vegetarian; protein is one of the main topics of debate as a lot of people think that you can only get protein from meat. Vegetarians get a lot of protein when they eat a variety of fruits, vegetables, grains and legumes. What vegetarians don't get is the excess protein of the traditional American diet. This type of diet leads to liver toxicity, kidney overload and mineral deficiency diseases. A lot of people also think that a vegetarian diet is not a balanced diet. Vegetarian diets have a proportion of three macro nutrients which are complex carbohydrates, protein and fat. Vegetarian food sources (plants) tend to be higher sources of most micro nutrients. Another myth that needs to be clarified is the so-called lack of calcium among vegetarians. Many vegetables especially green leafy ones have a good supply of calcium. The truth is that vegetarians suffer less from osteoporosis (a deficiency of calcium that leads to weak bones). It is not my intention to force people to become vegetarians. However, vegetarianism is my answer to complete health and wellness. The three issues to consider in regard to vegetarianism are: spiritual, mental and physical (nutritional). The spiritually aspiring person attempts to work on his/her self. The purpose of spiritual growth is to move away from the animal nature into the more human nature that God intended for us to have. Meat eating inhibits this. The same science that attempts to ignore the existence of a force higher than man also proved that aggression levels are much higher in meat eaters than non-meat eaters! The animal instincts become more powerful every time you eat meat. Another spiritual aspect of being a meat eater is when one must question the necessity and method of killing animals. However, everyone has their own morals to which they must determine for themselves. It is not the purpose of my dissertation to force a specific moral behavior on anyone. Most spiritual people believe in auras. Kirilian photography shows us that a force field still remains around dead or amputated flesh. You adopt that animal aura when you eat it's dead flesh. Fruits and vegetables have a higher vibration al aura than animal products. “You are what you eat”, is a slogan that I love to use to show the mental aspect of vegetarianism. When animals are slaughtered, fear and aggression enzymes are shot into their muscle tissue. They remain in the meat until the consumer ingests the flesh and adapts the same emotions. Fruits and vegetables do not have emotions; therefore, when they are picked they do not release any emotional cells prior to digestion. The enzymes within fruits and vegetables supply the body with sufficient nutrients that will always uphold a healthy state of mind. Fruits and vegetables are high in nutrients; the very thing the body needs to live a long disease and pain free life. The same cannot be said for meat. Nutritionally, the alkaline-based digestive system of humans will not properly break down substantial acid substances of meat. Colon cancer is rampant! This is caused by the slow evacuation and putrefaction of meat in the colon. Lifelong vegetarians never suffer from such an illness. Many meat eaters believe that meat is the sole source of protein. However, the quality of this protein is so poor that little of it can ever be utilized by humans. This is due to its incomplete combination of amino acids [the building blocks of protein]. Studies show that the average American gets five times the amount of protein needed. It is a common medical fact that excess protein is dangerous. The prime danger of excess meat consumption is uric acid (the waste product produced in the process of digesting protein). Uric acid attacks the kidneys and breaks down the kidney cells called nephrons. This condition is called nephritis; the prime cause of it is overburdening the kidneys. More usable protein is found in one tablespoon of tofu or soybeans than the average serving of meat! Have you ever seen what happens to a piece of meat that stays in the sun for three days? Meat can stay in the warmth of the intestine for at least four to five days until it is digested. It does nothing but wait for passage. Often, it usually stays there for much longer. Medical doctors have found traces of undigested meat remaining in the colon for up to several months. Colonic therapists always see meat passing through people who have been vegetarians for several years, thus indicating that meat remains undigested there for a long time. Occasionally this has been documented in twenty-year vegetarians! Some vegetarians claim they are more satisfied after they eat. The reason for this is that there are fewer ketones (protein-digestive substances) formed when vegetable protein is digested. For many, ketones cause a trace amount of nausea which one normally interprets as a decreased desire for food due to this uncomfortable and slight degree of queasiness. Although the body calls for more food, the taste buds tolerate less. This is the danger of the popular high-protein diet substances on the market. This abnormally high level of ketones is called ketosis and refers to the state of starvation that the body incurs due to the inability of the appetite to call for nutrition. Most Americans who eat the wrong type of carbohydrates never recognize the high amount of complex carbohydrates required to overthrow this condition. Keep in mind that when the blood ketone level are too high it results in abnormally acidic blood called acidosis. Tigers or lions who eat meat have an acid-based digestive systems. Our Hydrochloric Acid isn’t strong enough to fully digest meat. Also, their intestines measures about five feet long, not twisted and turned, layer over layer, compacted into a small area like the human intestine [which is twenty feet long]. Meats are frozen for a long period of times. Some meats (especially poultry) are frozen up to two years. Cold temperatures do not kill all species of bacteria. Worse than this, as it is shipped and stored, most frozen meat is thawed and refrozen many times. This is almost unavoidable. Meat eaters suffer more frequently from various types of food poisoning than vegetarian. Statistics show that every American has had food poisoning at least once. When you've felt ill, had diarrhea or were just a little sick to your stomach, no doubt you had not the slightest idea that you had been poisoned by scavengers living off the dead carcass you just ate. Meat is costly and it is the most wasteful source of resources. When one removes meat from his or her diet a whole new world of eating opens up. Cooking and preparing vegetarian style is no more time consuming than cooking meat. It costs less than half as much to eat vegetarian as it does to eat meat. There are excellent, nutritious, and easy to prepare vegetarian dishes that are Italian, Chinese, Indian, Mid-Eastern, French, Spanish, etc. Additionally, one can enjoy many other foods that he or she has never tasted because of the meat craze. Most consumers have eaten no more than five or six varieties of beans and legumes. This is less than 10% of what is available. In my opinion, there are far more benefits to becoming a vegetarian then there are staying a meat eater. Due to the fact that I was raised on meat, I have experienced both worlds. As a meat eater I was constantly sick, tired, and overweight. As a vegetarian, I am healthy, full of energy and maintaining a perfect weight. I love being a vegetarian and it shows. Because I wish the best for myself, it’s just second nature to want the best for others. From my past experience and research, going vegetarian is the best thing anyone can do for their mind, body and spirit. What a crock of bullshit. What do you think we ate about ten thousands years ago, before agriculture cam into existance? We were meat and fat eaters. |
Saddletramp User ID: 736749 Puerto Rico 11/15/2012 09:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All bullshit, you're examples are all predator/prey examples, not herbivore, ominvore, carnivore... Not scientific at all... "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 664728 New Zealand 11/15/2012 09:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | While there may be nutrition in plants, it isn't available to humans notice that herbivores like cows need 4 stomachs to digest cellulose? we have only one stomach--and it is designed to digest meat animal foods are for nourishing plants foods are for cleansing here is a thorough explanation by a doctor with an additional degree in nutrition (they don't teach nutrition in med. school btw) [link to www.doctor-natasha.com] |
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stildrinkmilk User ID: 18857258 Australia 11/15/2012 09:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Mmmm...true we don't have canines, we have incisers as do chimps Chimps hunt in packs and kill and consume other chimps or primates Cave paintings from Neanderthal to aboriginal dating some 40,000 years clearly depict hunting and gathering. See even stoneage man knew to eat both meat and fruit etc. I know 4 total vegetarians and they are always pale and sick looking, always have colds??? And they stink when they fart, seriously they really do lol. I never crave vegetables but eat them but I do crave steak Family ,grandparents etc eat the same diet, grown our own behest and farmed the meat. grandad is 91 , Nana 89, all great uncles and aunts still goin strong. Eat it all, keep it balanced and stay the fuck away from MacDonald's etc and all gmo. Enjoy. |