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Phennommennonn (OP) Forum Administrator 11/18/2012 02:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Most of these businesses have little choice either to comply with Unions or close shop. Unions have a lot of incentive to be aggressive because of all the Federal and State help and benefits they get if they lose like to Hostess. They have a big golden parachute to save them. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24957083 set precedent - they can toss a union contract out Judge rules American Airlines can throw out pilot's labor contract [link to www.the33tv.com] political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
Anonymous Cowherder Stop the inanity! User ID: 2245483 United States 11/18/2012 02:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so they said "No" to an 8% pay-cut in favor of a 100% pay-cut... makes sense... on Bizarro-Earth! Repeal the 17th Amendment and the Reapportionment Act of 1929! Thread: First steps down the road to a return to the Constitutional Republic that we were intended to be. Restore the Republic. Thread: The Bill of Rights does NOT include age requirements! It's a flower, not something to be feared. - Moo! |
Instant Karma User ID: 25981580 United States 11/18/2012 02:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Typical corporation blaming labor for their mismanagement. Management takes the credit when the company does well, but never takes the blame when it doesn't. Dollar Deception: How Banks Secretly Create Money: [link to www.webofdebt.com] ALTERED GENES, TWISTED TRUTH: How the Venture to Genetically Engineer Our Food Has Subverted Science, Corrupted Government, and Systematically Deceived the Public: [link to www.amazon.com] 2028 End? [link to 2028end.com] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 28010361 United States 11/18/2012 02:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "Unions Have Destroyed Every Company In Which They've Been Intimately Involved" Quoting: Phennommennonn video [link to mediamatters.org] That is bullshit, I have been employed by a union electrical contractor for close to 20years and the owner lacks for nothing and I have made a great wage and built a very nice retirement during those years.......far more than any non-union electrician in my state! I pay my dues and they leave me alone, I don't go to their meetings or do any other so called "brotherhood" BS. So if you want to make less and have no future then by all means never join a union. |
Phennommennonn (OP) Forum Administrator 11/18/2012 02:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Typical corporation blaming labor for their mismanagement. Management takes the credit when the company does well, but never takes the blame when it doesn't. Quoting: Instant Karma costs go up annually. UIB premiums HC premiums payroll taxes et al etc.... 8pct pay cut is chump change compared to having NO JOB AT ALL you fuckin goober assed shill. whats 8% of say avg hostess worker hourly 16.81 wage. do the math. political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
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Phennommennonn (OP) Forum Administrator 11/18/2012 02:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Bakers Union President: We Knew Hostess Could Die [link to www.thegatewaypundit.com] Oh well, at least Frank still has a job. political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
Marax User ID: 25975775 United States 11/18/2012 02:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | years ago on long island....back in the 80s - Quoting: Phennommennonn theres was/is this industrial pk in hauppauge. and the unions were trying to organize them. there was this open house at a hotel - paid for by the factories. they tried to explain the detriments to the workers ex: we pay you a decent wage healthcare is expensive (and many paid in full the prems at the time - not every bus offered HC tho) you get vacation, sick, and retirement (some did w/o your contributions) you got 2 15 min breaks and 30 min lunch annual raises add it up...youre actually making XXX amount. we could take all that away and you can pay your own way. unions are extortionists. take a good look at history, the corruption involved ....... the unions reap the benefits - not you. youre just the dumb schmuck who pays them. if only i could tell you what i know first hand....i cant. my family for those of you who dont know....is well - watch the sopranos in syndication or on dvd. Holy shit your family has its own show on HBO? And all this time I thought they were actors... Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars. I'd like to go quietly in my sleep, like grandpa did. Not screaming in terror like the people in the back seat of the car he was driving. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 20574169 United States 11/18/2012 02:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Would you want to take a pay cut because your board of directors bankrupted a NATIONWIDE company? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18260563 Fuck Hostess. And good for their employees refusing to take the 8% pay cut. I would do the same, union or not. The economy may be poor, but I would lose my job before I let an employer who BLEW HIS MONEY, go and take it out on me, the employee, via pay cuts. There are jobs if you want to work. Sure, may not be in your field, or of the same pay, but there are jobs out there. In the short term I could live with not having my "dream job" to give my employer a big "FUCK YOU" when they bankrupted their selves and want to take it out on me. typical obot response. |
Phennommennonn (OP) Forum Administrator 11/18/2012 02:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | snipped: Quoting: Phennommennonn take a good look at history, the corruption involved ....... the unions reap the benefits - not you. youre just the dumb schmuck who pays them. if only i could tell you what i know first hand....i cant. my family for those of you who dont know....is well - watch the sopranos in syndication or on dvd. Holy shit your family has its own show on HBO? And all this time I thought they were actors... youre missing important plot points dude political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
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Marax User ID: 25975775 United States 11/18/2012 02:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Would you want to take a pay cut because your board of directors bankrupted a NATIONWIDE company? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18260563 Fuck Hostess. And good for their employees refusing to take the 8% pay cut. I would do the same, union or not. The economy may be poor, but I would lose my job before I let an employer who BLEW HIS MONEY, go and take it out on me, the employee, via pay cuts. There are jobs if you want to work. Sure, may not be in your field, or of the same pay, but there are jobs out there. In the short term I could live with not having my "dream job" to give my employer a big "FUCK YOU" when they bankrupted their selves and want to take it out on me. Yea why take a pay cut to $15 dollars an hour when you can say fuck you and MAYBE find a job for $10 an hour. I'm sure the big wigs making hundreds of thousands a year are going to be real offended... Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars. I'd like to go quietly in my sleep, like grandpa did. Not screaming in terror like the people in the back seat of the car he was driving. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 22439663 United States 11/18/2012 02:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yeah, the same thing happened in my area. They are fine with the company closing down. Hostess had already made the employees start paying the company like $10 out of every paycheck. Which ends up being a around $2million if it was $10 a month from each employee for one year. Then there were no pay raises for 5 years. This time they wanted each employee to start paying an additional 8% of their wages. Who knows what that amounts to. Why should an employee have to pay a major corporation to stay in business? They said to take the pay cut or we shut down for good. In my book that is blackmail. I wonder what kind of pay cuts the people in the higher positions took during that time. |
Phennommennonn (OP) Forum Administrator 11/18/2012 02:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "Unions Have Destroyed Every Company In Which They've Been Intimately Involved" Quoting: Phennommennonn video [link to mediamatters.org] That is bullshit, I have been employed by a union electrical contractor for close to 20years and the owner lacks for nothing and I have made a great wage and built a very nice retirement during those years.......far more than any non-union electrician in my state! I pay my dues and they leave me alone, I don't go to their meetings or do any other so called "brotherhood" BS. So if you want to make less and have no future then by all means never join a union. dude - thats what indoctrination does. it sways opinion. the dems are notorious for this - and quite frankly successful in baiting/reeling the useful idiots in.... the unions prepare you - for socialism & communism i was a USgovt employee - yes i was union 20+ yrs. had no fuckin clue as a kid - as to their history, ties, agendas, change agents, educational lineage - dude...i was totally clueless. i was not only an 'area rep'....i took grievances/cases to national arbitration & the NLRB (national labor relations board) it was 6 mos before i "retired"....where something came across my desk - that alerted me, got my full attention. it made me realize, that everything 'we' thought/been told - was predicated on a lie. i didnt want to be a tool anymore. i bowed out. political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
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Manu-Koelbren User ID: 27871403 Spain 11/18/2012 02:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am against unions but I read the ceo's were getting huge pay raises when this was all happening. In that case fuck Em. Banned as usual. “It is far easier to be a weakling than to be a Real Man. Were the Earth less harsh or the circumstances of life less austere, man would destroy himself before the shrine of the languid goddess. Only Real Men can with safety destroy the tangled forests and wilderness of Earth and make from them gardens, but will those who inherit the gardens be Real Men? The law decrees that they must be, or the wilderness will reclaim its own.” |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 20574169 United States 11/18/2012 02:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yeah, the same thing happened in my area. They are fine with the company closing down. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22439663 Hostess had already made the employees start paying the company like $10 out of every paycheck. Which ends up being a around $2million if it was $10 a month from each employee for one year. Then there were no pay raises for 5 years. This time they wanted each employee to start paying an additional 8% of their wages. Who knows what that amounts to. Why should an employee have to pay a major corporation to stay in business? They said to take the pay cut or we shut down for good. In my book that is blackmail. I wonder what kind of pay cuts the people in the higher positions took during that time. Unions blame Wall Street. Obama blames Bush. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 28008747 United States 11/18/2012 02:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | New Jersey Governor Chris Christie is getting famous for being one of the only high level elected official in the country who's telling the truth about how public employee unions and their corrupt partnership with the Democrats are destroying us financially......the truth was told on 60 Minutes. Quoting: Phennommennonn video 60 Minutes Shows How Unions/Dems Destroying US [link to www.wrko.com] The public employee unions are the really evil ones. They hold all the taxpayers hostage. They should be outlawed. I believe FDR said as much. The Hostess workers were played, but it's their own fault. The stupid comments about being "relieved" to lose the best paycheck they'll ever have shows that someone was egging them on here. It may have even been management. In my view the company WANTED to close it down. The workers were outside the factories, unable to occupy them or vandalize them. The CEO gets more pay this year because the corporation is liquidating. Now the factories are locked up tight and safe, the workers are gone, and the factories and even the brand name can be sold to another operator, who will hire and rehire workers unencumbered by those labor agreements and pension obligations. Bimbo, the big Mexican baking company, is a possible buyer who comes to mind. |
Phennommennonn (OP) Forum Administrator 11/18/2012 02:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | New Jersey Governor Chris Christie is getting famous for being one of the only high level elected official in the country who's telling the truth about how public employee unions and their corrupt partnership with the Democrats are destroying us financially......the truth was told on 60 Minutes. Quoting: Phennommennonn video 60 Minutes Shows How Unions/Dems Destroying US [link to www.wrko.com] The public employee unions are the really evil ones. They hold all the taxpayers hostage. They should be outlawed. I believe FDR said as much. The Hostess workers were played, but it's their own fault. The stupid comments about being "relieved" to lose the best paycheck they'll ever have shows that someone was egging them on here. It may have even been management. In my view the company WANTED to close it down. The workers were outside the factories, unable to occupy them or vandalize them. The CEO gets more pay this year because the corporation is liquidating. Now the factories are locked up tight and safe, the workers are gone, and the factories and even the brand name can be sold to another operator, who will hire and rehire workers unencumbered by those labor agreements and pension obligations. Bimbo, the big Mexican baking company, is a possible buyer who comes to mind. yea i posted that url in a thread yesterday. tortila twinkies....yum....NOT political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 957572 United States 11/18/2012 02:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | sounds like the smart ones are relieved , the tardo's who lived check to check are fucked. average wage 16.80 ? yeah ok that means union worker parasite makes 24 dollars an hour while the non union makes so little they are eligible for all those programs anyways. get all the bennies get a cash job and fuck em . family the soprano's ? anyone else not suprised that phen comes from a bunch of bottom feeders who live off the sweat of real workers ballsacks ? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 28008747 United States 11/18/2012 02:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But losing a huge pool member like Hostess must really financially stress the pool. Now, or one more bankruptcy in the future, that pool will blow up and none of the people will get their promised pensions. It used to be that these promises were very credible, the unions looked solid. Not any more. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 28008747 United States 11/18/2012 02:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Howzat? Did the company lay them off right before filing for liquidation? That would probably be illegal, because a company normally should not take on obligations right before going BK -- to protect creditor assets. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 23182389 United States 11/18/2012 03:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Would you want to take a pay cut because your board of directors bankrupted a NATIONWIDE company? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18260563 but I would lose my job before I let an employer who BLEW HIS MONEY, go and take it out on me, the employee, via pay cuts. Important point here....HIS MONEY. Employer's money. He can do what ever the fuck he wants with it, including blowing it. And yes, the employees do have to pay the price for what an employer does with the company finances, but it is the company's to do whatever with. Companies blow money all the time thru bad decisions, malfeasance, etc. That's business. You, as an employee, do NOT have the right to that job, or that pay and benefits. I'll bet that when the company was doing well, that the unions were clamoring for raises and benefits, but in lean times, for whatever reason, arent willing to give back. Federal Gov't is the worst when it comes to blowing money... |