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Goodmen User ID: 16778386 United States 11/29/2012 11:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Native Americans were proposed to buy land. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14667725 How can land be bought? It can't. Property and ownership are concepts of the imagination. If you physically occupy a piece of land than it is yours for it is physically impossible for two people to occupy the exact same space at the same time. If the space is empty than it is free to be occupied by anyone or anything. Again, its a Philosophy. That is what the Indians thought when they sold Manhattan Island for beads and trinkets. Our superior firepower taught them what trespassing means within a week. My Property is mine because the "Law" will back me up- That (honestly) is the only reason. he who has the might and Power makes the rules. Those Indians may have been "correct" but they still got room temperature quickly and could do nothing about it. -Again, not saying its right- but it is reality. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 14667725 Poland 11/29/2012 11:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | btw. just fight with their own weapons - be that RPG boosted up character. When u use their laws to them they become scared cause they do not know what is going on... most of "them" do not know nothing but procedures. that is true. once you find a way out of a procedure, they go yyyy? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 13828541 United States 11/29/2012 11:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A person is not just a legal fiction. According to Cornell University’s U.S. Code Collection a person includes a natural person (including an individual Indian), a corporation, a partnership, an unincorporated association, a trust, or an estate, or any other public or private entity, including a State or local government or an Indian tribe. TITLE 28 > PART VI > CHAPTER 176 > SUBCHAPTER A > § 3002. So the myth that a natural person and legal person are separate in the case of representing an actual human being in court, is entirely false. Quoting: Goodmen 16778386 -There is 1 piece of proof. Words written by attorneys is PROOF? You believe in magic, don't ya? Nothing there about a living man. "A person is NOT JUST a legal fiction?" You are an idiot, Sir. Did you even read the shit you posted? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 14667725 Poland 11/29/2012 11:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A person is not just a legal fiction. According to Cornell University’s U.S. Code Collection a person includes a natural person (including an individual Indian), a corporation, a partnership, an unincorporated association, a trust, or an estate, or any other public or private entity, including a State or local government or an Indian tribe. TITLE 28 > PART VI > CHAPTER 176 > SUBCHAPTER A > § 3002. So the myth that a natural person and legal person are separate in the case of representing an actual human being in court, is entirely false. Quoting: Goodmen 16778386 -There is 1 piece of proof. It is on the courts to PROVE you are that legal fiction they are claiming. They can't do this and that is why they use deception and trickery to get you to ADMIT you are this legal fiction. There is a loophole in ALL of the "laws" because they are fiction and not Truth. Is there any evidence of this ever working? I have been following this for years and personally have spoken with menard and several others and never (not once) have they done anything but make claims. When the plethora of evidence is shown of people being arrested for this they claim" they did it wrong" (even though they received their advice (paid for it) from the very same gurus. Its difficult to prove a negative. Prove to me Puirple fairies do not inhabit the White house? hmmmm, you cannot, so they must- BUT it doesnt work this way. If I make the claim about these fairies the proof is on me. Something FMOTL cannot grasp since thus far there is no proof but lots of claims and stories and "I know a guy" who got feree Houses, Millions for birth certificates and the Police cannot mess with them even when they "travel" with no plates. Larry Flint case - where did you get this tape from? Ok, i'll tell.... i got it from a samurai....who sth sth |
Goodmen User ID: 16778386 United States 11/29/2012 11:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | btw. just fight with their own weapons - be that RPG boosted up character. When u use their laws to them they become scared cause they do not know what is going on... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14667725 most of "them" do not know nothing but procedures. that is true. once you find a way out of a procedure, they go yyyy? Correct. Its the only real way. You have to change the system from within the system and fight the system on its own terms. |
Goodmen User ID: 16778386 United States 11/29/2012 11:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A person is not just a legal fiction. According to Cornell University’s U.S. Code Collection a person includes a natural person (including an individual Indian), a corporation, a partnership, an unincorporated association, a trust, or an estate, or any other public or private entity, including a State or local government or an Indian tribe. TITLE 28 > PART VI > CHAPTER 176 > SUBCHAPTER A > § 3002. So the myth that a natural person and legal person are separate in the case of representing an actual human being in court, is entirely false. Quoting: Goodmen 16778386 -There is 1 piece of proof. Words written by attorneys is PROOF? You believe in magic, don't ya? Nothing there about a living man. "A person is NOT JUST a legal fiction?" You are an idiot, Sir. Did you even read the shit you posted? Hmmm- I should instead believe words written by someone making outlandish internet claims with zero proof? Than the U.S. Code collection? Your right, I must be an idiot =/ How could I have not seen the wisdom you people spew- Certainly your ,methods must work. |
422 User ID: 27839260 United States 11/29/2012 11:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A person is not just a legal fiction. According to Cornell University’s U.S. Code Collection a person includes a natural person (including an individual Indian), a corporation, a partnership, an unincorporated association, a trust, or an estate, or any other public or private entity, including a State or local government or an Indian tribe. TITLE 28 > PART VI > CHAPTER 176 > SUBCHAPTER A > § 3002. So the myth that a natural person and legal person are separate in the case of representing an actual human being in court, is entirely false. Quoting: Goodmen 16778386 -There is 1 piece of proof. It is on the courts to PROVE you are that legal fiction they are claiming. They can't do this and that is why they use deception and trickery to get you to ADMIT you are this legal fiction. There is a loophole in ALL of the "laws" because they are fiction and not Truth. Is there any evidence of this ever working? I have been following this for years and personally have spoken with menard and several others and never (not once) have they done anything but make claims. When the plethora of evidence is shown of people being arrested for this they claim" they did it wrong" (even though they received their advice (paid for it) from the very same gurus. Its difficult to prove a negative. Prove to me Puirple fairies do not inhabit the White house? hmmmm, you cannot, so they must- BUT it doesnt work this way. If I make the claim about these fairies the proof is on me. Something FMOTL cannot grasp since thus far there is no proof but lots of claims and stories and "I know a guy" who got feree Houses, Millions for birth certificates and the Police cannot mess with them even when they "travel" with no plates. I have no idea who this menard or whatever the other name is and I'm not going to google it because I do not care who they are. It is your choice to believe in the fiction and I'm not about to stop you or anyone else from doing so. My Truth comes from within, I have no internet links. There are scams all over the internet and that is what your focus is on. Maybe these people you speak of are purposely sabotaging their "clients". Remember, ALL sides are controlled. “You have rights antecedent to all earthly governments; rights that cannot be repealed or restrained by human laws; rights derived from the Great Legislator of the Universe.” John Adams, Second President of the United States |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 14667725 Poland 11/30/2012 12:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so in practice: T(they) - Who sold you this drugs? Y(you) - It was a little gnowe down that little street. T- Please, do not make jokes with us. Y- I am not T - So who was it? Y - It was him! T - Who? Y -I told you already. T - You told that it was a little gnome down that little street... Y - Was it not? .... |
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Goodmen User ID: 16778386 United States 11/30/2012 12:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A person is not just a legal fiction. According to Cornell University’s U.S. Code Collection a person includes a natural person (including an individual Indian), a corporation, a partnership, an unincorporated association, a trust, or an estate, or any other public or private entity, including a State or local government or an Indian tribe. TITLE 28 > PART VI > CHAPTER 176 > SUBCHAPTER A > § 3002. So the myth that a natural person and legal person are separate in the case of representing an actual human being in court, is entirely false. Quoting: Goodmen 16778386 -There is 1 piece of proof. It is on the courts to PROVE you are that legal fiction they are claiming. They can't do this and that is why they use deception and trickery to get you to ADMIT you are this legal fiction. There is a loophole in ALL of the "laws" because they are fiction and not Truth. Is there any evidence of this ever working? I have been following this for years and personally have spoken with menard and several others and never (not once) have they done anything but make claims. When the plethora of evidence is shown of people being arrested for this they claim" they did it wrong" (even though they received their advice (paid for it) from the very same gurus. Its difficult to prove a negative. Prove to me Puirple fairies do not inhabit the White house? hmmmm, you cannot, so they must- BUT it doesnt work this way. If I make the claim about these fairies the proof is on me. Something FMOTL cannot grasp since thus far there is no proof but lots of claims and stories and "I know a guy" who got feree Houses, Millions for birth certificates and the Police cannot mess with them even when they "travel" with no plates. I have no idea who this menard or whatever the other name is and I'm not going to google it because I do not care who they are. It is your choice to believe in the fiction and I'm not about to stop you or anyone else from doing so. My Truth comes from within, I have no internet links. There are scams all over the internet and that is what your focus is on. Maybe these people you speak of are purposely sabotaging their "clients". Remember, ALL sides are controlled. I think we can agree with that. Menard is the most popular of the FMOTL- He does lectures, sells videos , gives "advice" (for money) and has even been featured in several major news shows. My interest in FMOTL came from a belief in it. Started with the "Gold Trimmed Flag" meaning Admiralty Law and the idea that I could possibly cash in on my birth certificate- Saw some very plausible stuff- BUT I studied it like a madman and then talked about it with an Uncle who was a Judge (Retired)- In about a year I realized it was bunk- Even if certain elements may be correct the Courts do not abide nor do anything they do not wish to do. I saw several people try their tactics and end up in alot of trouble. I have kept a very keen interest in this and have followed the goings on of the FMOTL/Sovereigns and am 100% sure their methods do not work and they lead people into trouble (and also profit from mostly poor people looking to have some power over their lives in these fucked up times) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 20901334 United States 11/30/2012 12:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A person is not just a legal fiction. According to Cornell University’s U.S. Code Collection a person includes a natural person (including an individual Indian), a corporation, a partnership, an unincorporated association, a trust, or an estate, or any other public or private entity, including a State or local government or an Indian tribe. TITLE 28 > PART VI > CHAPTER 176 > SUBCHAPTER A > § 3002. So the myth that a natural person and legal person are separate in the case of representing an actual human being in court, is entirely false. Quoting: Goodmen 16778386 -There is 1 piece of proof. It is on the courts to PROVE you are that legal fiction they are claiming. They can't do this and that is why they use deception and trickery to get you to ADMIT you are this legal fiction. There is a loophole in ALL of the "laws" because they are fiction and not Truth. Is there any evidence of this ever working? I have been following this for years and personally have spoken with menard and several others and never (not once) have they done anything but make claims. When the plethora of evidence is shown of people being arrested for this they claim" they did it wrong" (even though they received their advice (paid for it) from the very same gurus. Its difficult to prove a negative. Prove to me Puirple fairies do not inhabit the White house? hmmmm, you cannot, so they must- BUT it doesnt work this way. If I make the claim about these fairies the proof is on me. Something FMOTL cannot grasp since thus far there is no proof but lots of claims and stories and "I know a guy" who got feree Houses, Millions for birth certificates and the Police cannot mess with them even when they "travel" with no plates. I have no idea who this menard or whatever the other name is and I'm not going to google it because I do not care who they are. It is your choice to believe in the fiction and I'm not about to stop you or anyone else from doing so. My Truth comes from within, I have no internet links. There are scams all over the internet and that is what your focus is on. Maybe these people you speak of are purposely sabotaging their "clients". Remember, ALL sides are controlled. Here goes "I have done it myself"!! It may not be proof for others, but I DID IT, I can provide you no court record because I HAVE NO LEGAL NAME for there to be a court record. GET IT? No DEFENDANT means no CHARGEABLE PERSON. I really don't care if anyone believes me or not, but I did it and people were there to see it happen. THEY have NOTHING without MY AGREEMENT that I am a PERSON, Defendant, the Charged, the person, whatever. For me to agree with any label they offer is CONSENT and self incrimination, do not GIVE IT and they do not HAVE IT. Everything else falls flat for them when you know the game. |
422 User ID: 27839260 United States 11/30/2012 12:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so in practice: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14667725 T(they) - Who sold you this drugs? Y(you) - It was a little gnowe down that little street. T- Please, do not make jokes with us. Y- I am not T - So who was it? Y - It was him! T - Who? Y -I told you already. T - You told that it was a little gnome down that little street... Y - Was it not? .... You do not have to talk to any stranger at any time if you so wish. You do not have to say a single word to any one and they can not force you to do so without consequences. “You have rights antecedent to all earthly governments; rights that cannot be repealed or restrained by human laws; rights derived from the Great Legislator of the Universe.” John Adams, Second President of the United States |
Goodmen User ID: 16778386 United States 11/30/2012 12:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Still not proof, people get kidnapped, raped and even murdered every day, is that "jurisdiction"? Force and threat of violence is not proof of anything but a crime. Just because the criminal is a cop does not make it lawful. Yawn, you are boring... Then you admit your shit doesnt work because (as you put it) the "cos are criminals"- Well, okay NOW we are getting somewhere. So (as I have said) on a Philosophical level you may be correct, but in reality it does not work. He who has the Power has the "right"- There is no magical "right" that everyone has to agree with. The guy with the most guns wins. Fair? nope.But its the way it is. |
Goodmen User ID: 16778386 United States 11/30/2012 12:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: 422 It is on the courts to PROVE you are that legal fiction they are claiming. They can't do this and that is why they use deception and trickery to get you to ADMIT you are this legal fiction. There is a loophole in ALL of the "laws" because they are fiction and not Truth. Is there any evidence of this ever working? I have been following this for years and personally have spoken with menard and several others and never (not once) have they done anything but make claims. When the plethora of evidence is shown of people being arrested for this they claim" they did it wrong" (even though they received their advice (paid for it) from the very same gurus. Its difficult to prove a negative. Prove to me Puirple fairies do not inhabit the White house? hmmmm, you cannot, so they must- BUT it doesnt work this way. If I make the claim about these fairies the proof is on me. Something FMOTL cannot grasp since thus far there is no proof but lots of claims and stories and "I know a guy" who got feree Houses, Millions for birth certificates and the Police cannot mess with them even when they "travel" with no plates. I have no idea who this menard or whatever the other name is and I'm not going to google it because I do not care who they are. It is your choice to believe in the fiction and I'm not about to stop you or anyone else from doing so. My Truth comes from within, I have no internet links. There are scams all over the internet and that is what your focus is on. Maybe these people you speak of are purposely sabotaging their "clients". Remember, ALL sides are controlled. Here goes "I have done it myself"!! It may not be proof for others, but I DID IT, I can provide you no court record because I HAVE NO LEGAL NAME for there to be a court record. GET IT? No DEFENDANT means no CHARGEABLE PERSON. I really don't care if anyone believes me or not, but I did it and people were there to see it happen. THEY have NOTHING without MY AGREEMENT that I am a PERSON, Defendant, the Charged, the person, whatever. For me to agree with any label they offer is CONSENT and self incrimination, do not GIVE IT and they do not HAVE IT. Everything else falls flat for them when you know the game. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 20901334 United States 11/30/2012 12:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: 422 It is on the courts to PROVE you are that legal fiction they are claiming. They can't do this and that is why they use deception and trickery to get you to ADMIT you are this legal fiction. There is a loophole in ALL of the "laws" because they are fiction and not Truth. Is there any evidence of this ever working? I have been following this for years and personally have spoken with menard and several others and never (not once) have they done anything but make claims. When the plethora of evidence is shown of people being arrested for this they claim" they did it wrong" (even though they received their advice (paid for it) from the very same gurus. Its difficult to prove a negative. Prove to me Puirple fairies do not inhabit the White house? hmmmm, you cannot, so they must- BUT it doesnt work this way. If I make the claim about these fairies the proof is on me. Something FMOTL cannot grasp since thus far there is no proof but lots of claims and stories and "I know a guy" who got feree Houses, Millions for birth certificates and the Police cannot mess with them even when they "travel" with no plates. I have no idea who this menard or whatever the other name is and I'm not going to google it because I do not care who they are. It is your choice to believe in the fiction and I'm not about to stop you or anyone else from doing so. My Truth comes from within, I have no internet links. There are scams all over the internet and that is what your focus is on. Maybe these people you speak of are purposely sabotaging their "clients". Remember, ALL sides are controlled. I think we can agree with that. Menard is the most popular of the FMOTL- He does lectures, sells videos , gives "advice" (for money) and has even been featured in several major news shows. My interest in FMOTL came from a belief in it. Started with the "Gold Trimmed Flag" meaning Admiralty Law and the idea that I could possibly cash in on my birth certificate- Saw some very plausible stuff- BUT I studied it like a madman and then talked about it with an Uncle who was a Judge (Retired)- In about a year I realized it was bunk- Even if certain elements may be correct the Courts do not abide nor do anything they do not wish to do. I saw several people try their tactics and end up in alot of trouble. I have kept a very keen interest in this and have followed the goings on of the FMOTL/Sovereigns and am 100% sure their methods do not work and they lead people into trouble (and also profit from mostly poor people looking to have some power over their lives in these fucked up times) A year? Wow, you really were dedicated, look, I have been doing this for over 5 years now and I have personally tried almost everything for myself. I made mistakes, I spent time in jail, but after I paid my dues, like anything, I got my reward. They will not let their slaves go easy, there is a price to pay. You do not want to walk the walk and take the chances, so be it, but I have and will continue. |
422 User ID: 27839260 United States 11/30/2012 12:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: 422 It is on the courts to PROVE you are that legal fiction they are claiming. They can't do this and that is why they use deception and trickery to get you to ADMIT you are this legal fiction. There is a loophole in ALL of the "laws" because they are fiction and not Truth. Is there any evidence of this ever working? I have been following this for years and personally have spoken with menard and several others and never (not once) have they done anything but make claims. When the plethora of evidence is shown of people being arrested for this they claim" they did it wrong" (even though they received their advice (paid for it) from the very same gurus. Its difficult to prove a negative. Prove to me Puirple fairies do not inhabit the White house? hmmmm, you cannot, so they must- BUT it doesnt work this way. If I make the claim about these fairies the proof is on me. Something FMOTL cannot grasp since thus far there is no proof but lots of claims and stories and "I know a guy" who got feree Houses, Millions for birth certificates and the Police cannot mess with them even when they "travel" with no plates. I have no idea who this menard or whatever the other name is and I'm not going to google it because I do not care who they are. It is your choice to believe in the fiction and I'm not about to stop you or anyone else from doing so. My Truth comes from within, I have no internet links. There are scams all over the internet and that is what your focus is on. Maybe these people you speak of are purposely sabotaging their "clients". Remember, ALL sides are controlled. Here goes "I have done it myself"!! It may not be proof for others, but I DID IT, I can provide you no court record because I HAVE NO LEGAL NAME for there to be a court record. GET IT? No DEFENDANT means no CHARGEABLE PERSON. I really don't care if anyone believes me or not, but I did it and people were there to see it happen. THEY have NOTHING without MY AGREEMENT that I am a PERSON, Defendant, the Charged, the person, whatever. For me to agree with any label they offer is CONSENT and self incrimination, do not GIVE IT and they do not HAVE IT. Everything else falls flat for them when you know the game. Very good. EVERYTHING in this current system revolves around CONSENT. They just use a lot of deception and word trickery to get you to consent. Last Edited by 422 on 11/30/2012 12:10 AM “You have rights antecedent to all earthly governments; rights that cannot be repealed or restrained by human laws; rights derived from the Great Legislator of the Universe.” John Adams, Second President of the United States |
Goodmen User ID: 16778386 United States 11/30/2012 12:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: 422 It is on the courts to PROVE you are that legal fiction they are claiming. They can't do this and that is why they use deception and trickery to get you to ADMIT you are this legal fiction. There is a loophole in ALL of the "laws" because they are fiction and not Truth. Is there any evidence of this ever working? I have been following this for years and personally have spoken with menard and several others and never (not once) have they done anything but make claims. When the plethora of evidence is shown of people being arrested for this they claim" they did it wrong" (even though they received their advice (paid for it) from the very same gurus. Its difficult to prove a negative. Prove to me Puirple fairies do not inhabit the White house? hmmmm, you cannot, so they must- BUT it doesnt work this way. If I make the claim about these fairies the proof is on me. Something FMOTL cannot grasp since thus far there is no proof but lots of claims and stories and "I know a guy" who got feree Houses, Millions for birth certificates and the Police cannot mess with them even when they "travel" with no plates. I have no idea who this menard or whatever the other name is and I'm not going to google it because I do not care who they are. It is your choice to believe in the fiction and I'm not about to stop you or anyone else from doing so. My Truth comes from within, I have no internet links. There are scams all over the internet and that is what your focus is on. Maybe these people you speak of are purposely sabotaging their "clients". Remember, ALL sides are controlled. Here goes "I have done it myself"!! It may not be proof for others, but I DID IT, I can provide you no court record because I HAVE NO LEGAL NAME for there to be a court record. GET IT? No DEFENDANT means no CHARGEABLE PERSON. I really don't care if anyone believes me or not, but I did it and people were there to see it happen. THEY have NOTHING without MY AGREEMENT that I am a PERSON, Defendant, the Charged, the person, whatever. For me to agree with any label they offer is CONSENT and self incrimination, do not GIVE IT and they do not HAVE IT. Everything else falls flat for them when you know the game. LOL. So there isnt a case number? A docket number? They said "well, you have no legal name so you are not chargeable- I guess we will let you go and destroy the records" -Dude, c'mon...I mean...Really???? There is always a docket number since its there before you see a Judge. Also usually easily verified online (even the Transcripts) if its a large Court system. |
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Goodmen User ID: 16778386 United States 11/30/2012 12:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Goodmen 16778386 Is there any evidence of this ever working? I have been following this for years and personally have spoken with menard and several others and never (not once) have they done anything but make claims. When the plethora of evidence is shown of people being arrested for this they claim" they did it wrong" (even though they received their advice (paid for it) from the very same gurus. Its difficult to prove a negative. Prove to me Puirple fairies do not inhabit the White house? hmmmm, you cannot, so they must- BUT it doesnt work this way. If I make the claim about these fairies the proof is on me. Something FMOTL cannot grasp since thus far there is no proof but lots of claims and stories and "I know a guy" who got feree Houses, Millions for birth certificates and the Police cannot mess with them even when they "travel" with no plates. I have no idea who this menard or whatever the other name is and I'm not going to google it because I do not care who they are. It is your choice to believe in the fiction and I'm not about to stop you or anyone else from doing so. My Truth comes from within, I have no internet links. There are scams all over the internet and that is what your focus is on. Maybe these people you speak of are purposely sabotaging their "clients". Remember, ALL sides are controlled. I think we can agree with that. Menard is the most popular of the FMOTL- He does lectures, sells videos , gives "advice" (for money) and has even been featured in several major news shows. My interest in FMOTL came from a belief in it. Started with the "Gold Trimmed Flag" meaning Admiralty Law and the idea that I could possibly cash in on my birth certificate- Saw some very plausible stuff- BUT I studied it like a madman and then talked about it with an Uncle who was a Judge (Retired)- In about a year I realized it was bunk- Even if certain elements may be correct the Courts do not abide nor do anything they do not wish to do. I saw several people try their tactics and end up in alot of trouble. I have kept a very keen interest in this and have followed the goings on of the FMOTL/Sovereigns and am 100% sure their methods do not work and they lead people into trouble (and also profit from mostly poor people looking to have some power over their lives in these fucked up times) A year? Wow, you really were dedicated, look, I have been doing this for over 5 years now and I have personally tried almost everything for myself. I made mistakes, I spent time in jail, but after I paid my dues, like anything, I got my reward. They will not let their slaves go easy, there is a price to pay. You do not want to walk the walk and take the chances, so be it, but I have and will continue. -What I said was I studied it extensively for a year before realizing it was bunk...Never really stopped studying it. Its been several years now and still have not seen any proof. These threads with you guys are pretty much the same- "You did it" okay, maybe you did- But where is the proof? And if so many have supposedly done this why is there no real proof anywhere. Ahhhhh- Its a conspiracy....But then, why werent the Original gurus silenced when they first started giving lectures? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 20901334 United States 11/30/2012 12:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Goodmen 16778386 Is there any evidence of this ever working? I have been following this for years and personally have spoken with menard and several others and never (not once) have they done anything but make claims. When the plethora of evidence is shown of people being arrested for this they claim" they did it wrong" (even though they received their advice (paid for it) from the very same gurus. Its difficult to prove a negative. Prove to me Puirple fairies do not inhabit the White house? hmmmm, you cannot, so they must- BUT it doesnt work this way. If I make the claim about these fairies the proof is on me. Something FMOTL cannot grasp since thus far there is no proof but lots of claims and stories and "I know a guy" who got feree Houses, Millions for birth certificates and the Police cannot mess with them even when they "travel" with no plates. I have no idea who this menard or whatever the other name is and I'm not going to google it because I do not care who they are. It is your choice to believe in the fiction and I'm not about to stop you or anyone else from doing so. My Truth comes from within, I have no internet links. There are scams all over the internet and that is what your focus is on. Maybe these people you speak of are purposely sabotaging their "clients". Remember, ALL sides are controlled. Here goes "I have done it myself"!! It may not be proof for others, but I DID IT, I can provide you no court record because I HAVE NO LEGAL NAME for there to be a court record. GET IT? No DEFENDANT means no CHARGEABLE PERSON. I really don't care if anyone believes me or not, but I did it and people were there to see it happen. THEY have NOTHING without MY AGREEMENT that I am a PERSON, Defendant, the Charged, the person, whatever. For me to agree with any label they offer is CONSENT and self incrimination, do not GIVE IT and they do not HAVE IT. Everything else falls flat for them when you know the game. LOL. So there isnt a case number? A docket number? They said "well, you have no legal name so you are not chargeable- I guess we will let you go and destroy the records" -Dude, c'mon...I mean...Really???? There is always a docket number since its there before you see a Judge. Also usually easily verified online (even the Transcripts) if its a large Court system. Yes, really. Why would I give a shit about their numbers and docket number, it has nothing to do with me, at all. I do not trespass on their legal land. How, exactly, would I have the case or docket number for a case that does not have anything to do with me? See, you are ignorant because you still think you somehow need their permission or OKAY to be free, that is slave thinking, dude, get over it. I do not need to ASK THEM, nor even notify them (an idiot concept from Rob and others). Oh, and I do not need YOUR permission to be free either, nor any damn private court record. Stop believing in the magic and the magic loses its power. Keep on slaven on, I am sure your retired judge uncle would never be wrong about the system that paid him well for all those years. |
422 User ID: 27839260 United States 11/30/2012 12:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Goodmen 16778386 Is there any evidence of this ever working? I have been following this for years and personally have spoken with menard and several others and never (not once) have they done anything but make claims. When the plethora of evidence is shown of people being arrested for this they claim" they did it wrong" (even though they received their advice (paid for it) from the very same gurus. Its difficult to prove a negative. Prove to me Puirple fairies do not inhabit the White house? hmmmm, you cannot, so they must- BUT it doesnt work this way. If I make the claim about these fairies the proof is on me. Something FMOTL cannot grasp since thus far there is no proof but lots of claims and stories and "I know a guy" who got feree Houses, Millions for birth certificates and the Police cannot mess with them even when they "travel" with no plates. I have no idea who this menard or whatever the other name is and I'm not going to google it because I do not care who they are. It is your choice to believe in the fiction and I'm not about to stop you or anyone else from doing so. My Truth comes from within, I have no internet links. There are scams all over the internet and that is what your focus is on. Maybe these people you speak of are purposely sabotaging their "clients". Remember, ALL sides are controlled. Here goes "I have done it myself"!! It may not be proof for others, but I DID IT, I can provide you no court record because I HAVE NO LEGAL NAME for there to be a court record. GET IT? No DEFENDANT means no CHARGEABLE PERSON. I really don't care if anyone believes me or not, but I did it and people were there to see it happen. THEY have NOTHING without MY AGREEMENT that I am a PERSON, Defendant, the Charged, the person, whatever. For me to agree with any label they offer is CONSENT and self incrimination, do not GIVE IT and they do not HAVE IT. Everything else falls flat for them when you know the game. LOL. So there isnt a case number? A docket number? They said "well, you have no legal name so you are not chargeable- I guess we will let you go and destroy the records" -Dude, c'mon...I mean...Really???? There is always a docket number since its there before you see a Judge. Also usually easily verified online (even the Transcripts) if its a large Court system. For some people no matter how much "proof" you put in front of them, it will never be enough. I do not care if you believe what I say or not. It is my Truth and it is as simple as that. It makes no difference to me at all if you reject what I say. You have your choice in believing what they call themselves FICTION. Many people turn away from Truth and there will be many more. “You have rights antecedent to all earthly governments; rights that cannot be repealed or restrained by human laws; rights derived from the Great Legislator of the Universe.” John Adams, Second President of the United States |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 20901334 United States 11/30/2012 12:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: 422 I have no idea who this menard or whatever the other name is and I'm not going to google it because I do not care who they are. It is your choice to believe in the fiction and I'm not about to stop you or anyone else from doing so. My Truth comes from within, I have no internet links. There are scams all over the internet and that is what your focus is on. Maybe these people you speak of are purposely sabotaging their "clients". Remember, ALL sides are controlled. I think we can agree with that. Menard is the most popular of the FMOTL- He does lectures, sells videos , gives "advice" (for money) and has even been featured in several major news shows. My interest in FMOTL came from a belief in it. Started with the "Gold Trimmed Flag" meaning Admiralty Law and the idea that I could possibly cash in on my birth certificate- Saw some very plausible stuff- BUT I studied it like a madman and then talked about it with an Uncle who was a Judge (Retired)- In about a year I realized it was bunk- Even if certain elements may be correct the Courts do not abide nor do anything they do not wish to do. I saw several people try their tactics and end up in alot of trouble. I have kept a very keen interest in this and have followed the goings on of the FMOTL/Sovereigns and am 100% sure their methods do not work and they lead people into trouble (and also profit from mostly poor people looking to have some power over their lives in these fucked up times) A year? Wow, you really were dedicated, look, I have been doing this for over 5 years now and I have personally tried almost everything for myself. I made mistakes, I spent time in jail, but after I paid my dues, like anything, I got my reward. They will not let their slaves go easy, there is a price to pay. You do not want to walk the walk and take the chances, so be it, but I have and will continue. -What I said was I studied it extensively for a year before realizing it was bunk...Never really stopped studying it. Its been several years now and still have not seen any proof. These threads with you guys are pretty much the same- "You did it" okay, maybe you did- But where is the proof? And if so many have supposedly done this why is there no real proof anywhere. Ahhhhh- Its a conspiracy....But then, why werent the Original gurus silenced when they first started giving lectures? Okay, if you are serious about learning, here you go: Thread: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul Study on that for a while, its all there, my story and many others and links to many more. Or not, your loss. Much of what is out there is counter-intel, put out by people like your uncle who made good money being little god men ruling over others. I really do not care one way or the other, been there, done that, its boring to me now, I am onto other things. good night. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 19588417 United States 11/30/2012 12:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Native Americans were proposed to buy land. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14667725 How can land be bought? It can't. Property and ownership are concepts of the imagination. If you physically occupy a piece of land than it is yours for it is physically impossible for two people to occupy the exact same space at the same time. If the space is empty than it is free to be occupied by anyone or anything. Again, its a Philosophy. That is what the Indians thought when they sold Manhattan Island for beads and trinkets. Our superior firepower taught them what trespassing means within a week. My Property is mine because the "Law" will back me up- That (honestly) is the only reason. he who has the might and Power makes the rules. Those Indians may have been "correct" but they still got room temperature quickly and could do nothing about it. -Again, not saying its right- but it is reality. I don't really consider what I say about property to be solely philosophy because it's based upon physical properties. In reality no two people can physically occupy the same space, but anyone can occupy an empty space. While it is true that a person can be forced off of the land they occupy, it is only because it is widely agreed upon that people contribute to the forcing of those off of property that they physically own. If you want a return to reality, a return to what's physically true rather than what is agreed to be true then you simply start living your life based upon physical reality and forget about all the imagined reality. True there will be those that try to hurt you for disagreeing with their made up reality, but the life of a revolutionary is not without its perils. If we are going to return to reality, a life based upon physically existent rules, then we must start somewhere. Big things have small beginnings. If you do not want a return to a life based upon physical reality then by all means continue living in a system that is, in my own personal opinion, based upon imaginary rules. So really if you want it do it, if you don't then don't. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 20901334 United States 11/30/2012 12:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: 422 I have no idea who this menard or whatever the other name is and I'm not going to google it because I do not care who they are. It is your choice to believe in the fiction and I'm not about to stop you or anyone else from doing so. My Truth comes from within, I have no internet links. There are scams all over the internet and that is what your focus is on. Maybe these people you speak of are purposely sabotaging their "clients". Remember, ALL sides are controlled. Here goes "I have done it myself"!! It may not be proof for others, but I DID IT, I can provide you no court record because I HAVE NO LEGAL NAME for there to be a court record. GET IT? No DEFENDANT means no CHARGEABLE PERSON. I really don't care if anyone believes me or not, but I did it and people were there to see it happen. THEY have NOTHING without MY AGREEMENT that I am a PERSON, Defendant, the Charged, the person, whatever. For me to agree with any label they offer is CONSENT and self incrimination, do not GIVE IT and they do not HAVE IT. Everything else falls flat for them when you know the game. LOL. So there isnt a case number? A docket number? They said "well, you have no legal name so you are not chargeable- I guess we will let you go and destroy the records" -Dude, c'mon...I mean...Really???? There is always a docket number since its there before you see a Judge. Also usually easily verified online (even the Transcripts) if its a large Court system. For some people no matter how much "proof" you put in front of them, it will never be enough. I do not care if you believe what I say or not. It is my Truth and it is as simple as that. It makes no difference to me at all if you reject what I say. You have your choice in believing what they call themselves FICTION. Many people turn away from Truth and there will be many more. 422, people think just because THEY cannot do something (or have failed when they tried) it is not possible for anyone to do it. People want an easy out, when they find it takes real work and sacrifice (trial by fire) they cower and take the easy, compliant road, its human nature to be that way. Thread: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul If you have not spent some time on that thread, I hope you will, we need people like you. |
Goodmen User ID: 16778386 United States 11/30/2012 12:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: 422 I have no idea who this menard or whatever the other name is and I'm not going to google it because I do not care who they are. It is your choice to believe in the fiction and I'm not about to stop you or anyone else from doing so. My Truth comes from within, I have no internet links. There are scams all over the internet and that is what your focus is on. Maybe these people you speak of are purposely sabotaging their "clients". Remember, ALL sides are controlled. Here goes "I have done it myself"!! It may not be proof for others, but I DID IT, I can provide you no court record because I HAVE NO LEGAL NAME for there to be a court record. GET IT? No DEFENDANT means no CHARGEABLE PERSON. I really don't care if anyone believes me or not, but I did it and people were there to see it happen. THEY have NOTHING without MY AGREEMENT that I am a PERSON, Defendant, the Charged, the person, whatever. For me to agree with any label they offer is CONSENT and self incrimination, do not GIVE IT and they do not HAVE IT. Everything else falls flat for them when you know the game. LOL. So there isnt a case number? A docket number? They said "well, you have no legal name so you are not chargeable- I guess we will let you go and destroy the records" -Dude, c'mon...I mean...Really???? There is always a docket number since its there before you see a Judge. Also usually easily verified online (even the Transcripts) if its a large Court system. Yes, really. Why would I give a shit about their numbers and docket number, it has nothing to do with me, at all. I do not trespass on their legal land. How, exactly, would I have the case or docket number for a case that does not have anything to do with me? See, you are ignorant because you still think you somehow need their permission or OKAY to be free, that is slave thinking, dude, get over it. I do not need to ASK THEM, nor even notify them (an idiot concept from Rob and others). Oh, and I do not need YOUR permission to be free either, nor any damn private court record. Stop believing in the magic and the magic loses its power. Keep on slaven on, I am sure your retired judge uncle would never be wrong about the system that paid him well for all those years. OH so you know Rob? Hows he doing (dissipated into thin air a few months ago after his latest failure) No, you do not need my permission to do anything. I do not want any power over anyone as that isn't me... I do not care what you do or how you live and IO respect the spirit. The difference between us isn't one of Free man or Slave - But of perceptions. I really could give two shits about the law as long as I am not hurting another person- Nor do I give a shit what anyone else does if they are not hurting me or my own- But I know that when I break the law (even stupid ones) getting caught means a fine and/or jail. I know my Rights (if they can be called that) but I also know dirty cops who do not care about your rights, will lie and the damn entire system will back them- Thats reality. Even when a police Officer breaks a law (illegal search and seizure for instance) all he has to do is say you "gave him permission" and it is your word against his (happened to me-) and they really could give a shit about your side of the story. My problem is with people talking about how this works so well and then (usually) trying to sell the information to generally down on their luck people. Telling them how to claim free houses (for a fee of coarse) or sign their name to pay for anything (also taught for a fee) and then these trusting people end up in some shit. I have witnessed more scamming in the FMOTL/Sovereign movement than in just about anything else- And still no proof. As people (not the gurus) FMOTL are rett cool and like me generally dont give a shit what other do- I would love to have neighbors with that philosophy... But of it actually working in a court or with the Police? All I have ever seen is failure after failure. -So if your success was real (I am not a psychic) forgive me for using my past experience with these people to have trouble believing it in absence of proof. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 14667725 Poland 11/30/2012 12:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | why their claw got me seriously, the had my "name" and stuff, then came miss psychologist - asked questions - i just told - i am a traveller, i have no home, i live in my backpack, like to learn and live. she just let off |
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