What is the Worst State(s) to be in When TSHTF? | |
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AlkaliDesert User ID: 14239828 United States 12/07/2012 07:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That entirely depends on what kind of SHTF doom it is. There is no ONE single answer. My thoughts exactly Time of year, too. Something that knocks out the power grid is going to be very hard on Northern states in the winter, but the summer would be a really bad time to be in a desert. There are also going to be parts of less-safe states that are safer than parts of "safe" states. There are more rural areas of California that are GREAT for survival, with a reasonably temperate climate year round, meaning little temperature-related survival stress and a long growing season. I'd much rather be in far Northern California, say 20 miles inland to avoid the tsuami risk, than in Wyoming. But within reasonable walking distance of LA is probably a bad idea. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 29298450 Germany 12/07/2012 07:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The state of new jack city aka Gotham which includes the boswash corridor. Quoting: Mr. Toppit why .... if you have to ask you won't live more than an hour when the power goes out. I want to know what everyone thinks are the worst ststes to be in. In my opinion, they are New York, New Jersey, Delaware, Connecticut, Texas, California. Texas is probably onwe of the worst because of it's proximity to Mexico, when it goes down, there will be thousands of Mexicans coming up here and scavenging, not to mention all the illegals currently here, that and there's 22 million people here. New York? No. Much of NY State is rural and mountainous, which could be beneficial, and it borders Canada, which could be beneficial too. New York state is not New York city. Florida would likely be the worst for obvious reasons. Not least is a high percentage of "felons", shall we say. Along with its geographical considerations. |
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Uke (OP) User ID: 28017433 United States 12/07/2012 07:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That entirely depends on what kind of SHTF doom it is. There is no ONE single answer. My thoughts exactly Time of year, too. Something that knocks out the power grid is going to be very hard on Northern states in the winter, but the summer would be a really bad time to be in a desert. There are also going to be parts of less-safe states that are safer than parts of "safe" states. There are more rural areas of California that are GREAT for survival, with a reasonably temperate climate year round, meaning little temperature-related survival stress and a long growing season. I'd much rather be in far Northern California, say 20 miles inland to avoid the tsuami risk, than in Wyoming. But within reasonable walking distance of LA is probably a bad idea. Depends how well you are situated in the north. There are some areas up there to me, would be the best places to be, like north-central Washington state, central Idaho, or the Olympic peninsula of WA state. |
Uke (OP) User ID: 28017433 United States 12/07/2012 07:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The state of new jack city aka Gotham which includes the boswash corridor. Quoting: Mr. Toppit why .... if you have to ask you won't live more than an hour when the power goes out. I want to know what everyone thinks are the worst ststes to be in. In my opinion, they are New York, New Jersey, Delaware, Connecticut, Texas, California. Texas is probably onwe of the worst because of it's proximity to Mexico, when it goes down, there will be thousands of Mexicans coming up here and scavenging, not to mention all the illegals currently here, that and there's 22 million people here. New York? No. Much of NY State is rural and mountainous, which could be beneficial, and it borders Canada, which could be beneficial too. New York state is not New York city. Florida would likely be the worst for obvious reasons. Not least is a high percentage of "felons", shall we say. Along with its geographical considerations. Where do you think the millions of people in NYC are giong to migrate to? They aren't going to go to New Jersey. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 29285694 United States 12/07/2012 07:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When TSHTF all rational and experience based decision making will be of no use. Weather patterns, support systems, animal behavior and migration patterns, and basic human civility will be dramaticly altered. Who will have resources you can use? Are you willing to steal and murder to survive? The military industrial complex will most certainly field their forces to secure their resourses, if you could pick of the unalert stragglers of military units you could use their weapons and ammunition as well as whatever functional tech they might have. Concentrate on being outside of large groups and not being seen or detected. In a fight for survival the enemy who is never seen is the most effective at living to fight another day, are you willing to be that enemy? Focus your efforts on states with strong military presence, and strike from cover and concealment, move at night or in the shadows and hide where most people don't want to go. Hope that most tech is destroyed and remain on the move, never staying in one place more than a couple of days and not returning to places you have been Even so, survival most likely short lived, people will turn on one another, and those currently in power will remain to rule. Why would you want to survive to live in what's comeing anyway? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 29298450 Germany 12/07/2012 07:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The state of new jack city aka Gotham which includes the boswash corridor. Quoting: Mr. Toppit why .... if you have to ask you won't live more than an hour when the power goes out. I want to know what everyone thinks are the worst ststes to be in. In my opinion, they are New York, New Jersey, Delaware, Connecticut, Texas, California. Texas is probably onwe of the worst because of it's proximity to Mexico, when it goes down, there will be thousands of Mexicans coming up here and scavenging, not to mention all the illegals currently here, that and there's 22 million people here. New York? No. Much of NY State is rural and mountainous, which could be beneficial, and it borders Canada, which could be beneficial too. New York state is not New York city. Florida would likely be the worst for obvious reasons. Not least is a high percentage of "felons", shall we say. Along with its geographical considerations. Where do you think the millions of people in NYC are giong to migrate to? They aren't going to go to New Jersey. They are going to be screwed like anyone else in a big city. The routes north from NYC would be Fubar very quick. Actually Jersey is in a much more precarious position, as it's directly across the river. Not sure how familiar you are with the area. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 29278610 Canada 12/07/2012 07:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Remember, if CERN fails, the world has an estimated 60 seconds to live. So, if TSHTF, you need somewhere where you can see or do something wonderful in 60 seconds. ..Or, you need to be somewhere close to where aliens just might rescue you, because you've go SH1T ALL hope of survival otherwise. |
Uke (OP) User ID: 28017433 United States 12/07/2012 07:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That entirely depends on what kind of SHTF doom it is. There is no ONE single answer. I would think you'd want to get as far away from other people as possible. Places where the masses aren't going to be migrating to. I think this would apply to most every doom scenario. Not true. In some scenarios, small communities of people sharing resources, and having specialized tasks within those communities, will be much stronger than one (or one family) going it alone. I disagree, too many "small communities" in one area or region could spell trouble -either between community members, or raids by the Feds (or the UN troops, or whoever thinks their in charge) |
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Burt Gummer User ID: 7702124 United States 12/07/2012 07:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Burt Gummer That entirely depends on what kind of SHTF doom it is. There is no ONE single answer. I would think you'd want to get as far away from other people as possible. Places where the masses aren't going to be migrating to. I think this would apply to most every doom scenario. Not true. In some scenarios, small communities of people sharing resources, and having specialized tasks within those communities, will be much stronger than one (or one family) going it alone. I disagree, too many "small communities" in one area or region could spell trouble -either between community members, or raids by the Feds (or the UN troops, or whoever thinks their in charge) You are talking an UBER MAD MAX scenario.....which is HIGHLY improbable. AND... still in that case.....safety is in communities and numbers for defensive...and offensive reasons. |
Lady Jane Smith Forum Administrator User ID: 23930358 United States 12/07/2012 07:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anywhere on a coastline or close to a nuclear facility or major river....North Texas or central US is the best place to be in my opinion....of course I live in Texas too so I might be a little partial... Quoting: DaddysGirl There's nothing here! There's no trees, no water, scorpions, snakes, and it's hot enough to kill you in the summer! Get thyself to East Texas ASAP if it goes down. Still hot, still inhabited by venomous reptiles, but you will have water, trees & tillable soil. Fate whispers to the warrior "You cannot withstand the storm" the warrior whispers back "I am the storm" INTJ-A |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 25723103 United States 12/07/2012 07:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm in Texas right now (not where I wanted to be at this particular moment in history) -fortunately far enough outside a major metro area where I would be relatively safe for a little while anyway. I think Texas is probably one of the worst places to be when the dollar collapse happens. I'm hoping it holds off until I can get back to my home state of Washington in the spring. Quoting: Uke What state or states do folks deem the worst to be in and why...? doode, if any state survive it will be Texas only state that can make it on its own besides , it would be great opportunity to secede from the union dollar collapse ? who gives the f#ck we will have our own currency sitting on s#it load of oil have access to the sea and mexico |
AlkaliDesert User ID: 14239828 United States 12/07/2012 07:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Depends how well you are situated in the north. There are some areas up there to me, would be the best places to be, like north-central Washington state, central Idaho, or the Olympic peninsula of WA state. Quoting: Uke Those areas would still have a lot of trouble if the power grid went out during a cold winter. Some of them also have potential water supply issues, and a relatively short growing season. I'll agree that they're probably better than Wyoming as far as that goes, though :) And that it's easier to prep for those sort of difficulties than it would be in a more temperate but more populated area. (The climate where I live is not really all that different from central Washington, so I obviously don't think it's impossible.) Last Edited by AlkaliDesert on 12/07/2012 08:00 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27815245 United States 12/07/2012 08:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm in Texas right now (not where I wanted to be at this particular moment in history) -fortunately far enough outside a major metro area where I would be relatively safe for a little while anyway. I think Texas is probably one of the worst places to be when the dollar collapse happens. I'm hoping it holds off until I can get back to my home state of Washington in the spring. Quoting: Uke What state or states do folks deem the worst to be in and why...? doode, if any state survive it will be Texas only state that can make it on its own besides , it would be great opportunity to secede from the union dollar collapse ? who gives the f#ck we will have our own currency sitting on s#it load of oil have access to the sea and mexico Texas already has it's own currency. It's called the lone star card. I say we cut texas loose right now and watch them eat their false pride. Seceed my ass, I love how every texan thinks they're benefiting from the oil that doesn't belong to them. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 25723103 United States 12/07/2012 08:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm in Texas right now (not where I wanted to be at this particular moment in history) -fortunately far enough outside a major metro area where I would be relatively safe for a little while anyway. I think Texas is probably one of the worst places to be when the dollar collapse happens. I'm hoping it holds off until I can get back to my home state of Washington in the spring. Quoting: Uke What state or states do folks deem the worst to be in and why...? doode, if any state survive it will be Texas only state that can make it on its own besides , it would be great opportunity to secede from the union dollar collapse ? who gives the f#ck we will have our own currency sitting on s#it load of oil have access to the sea and mexico Texas already has it's own currency. It's called the lone star card. I say we cut texas loose right now and watch them eat their false pride. Seceed my ass, I love how every texan thinks they're benefiting from the oil that doesn't belong to them. In Texas, there is very little federal land its all State land The Texas General Land Office manages state lands and mineral rights totaling 13 million acres. This includes vast properties in West Texas, Gulf Coast beaches and bays and all “submerged” lands 10.35 miles out into the Gulf of Mexico, as well as a variety of state agency acreage and timberlands in East Texas. [link to www.glo.texas.gov] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 14286468 United States 12/07/2012 08:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You will be protected by the country people if you can convince them you are bringing their subsidy checks. They not accept outsiders otherwise even though they don't remember how they got there. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27815245 Denounce your U.S. citizenship and you can live on the pine ridge reservation with Russell Means and A.I.M. Means is dead and i doubt too many of us indigenous would welcome abunch a cititards.......north dakota aready is having serious problems with OFT (oil field trash)its like the 2nd comming of the wite eyes this time leaving all their trash littering our rez and dumping their trailers sewage anywhere they please...besides when the SHTF we wont allow outsiders.....hmmm u say? history... |
indifissible User ID: 1951571 United States 12/07/2012 08:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Any major metropolitan area is going be a clusterfuck. Desert cities should die off fairly quickly due to lack of water. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1152874 Arizona not bad if you are properly prepped. If not you will die in 3-4 days from exposure or dehydration. "I have never understood why it is greed to want to keep the money you've earned, but not greed to want to take somebody else's money"-- Thomas Sowell The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27815245 United States 12/07/2012 08:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You will be protected by the country people if you can convince them you are bringing their subsidy checks. They not accept outsiders otherwise even though they don't remember how they got there. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27815245 Denounce your U.S. citizenship and you can live on the pine ridge reservation with Russell Means and A.I.M. Means is dead and i doubt too many of us indigenous would welcome abunch a cititards.......north dakota aready is having serious problems with OFT (oil field trash)its like the 2nd comming of the wite eyes this time leaving all their trash littering our rez and dumping their trailers sewage anywhere they please...besides when the SHTF we wont allow outsiders.....hmmm u say? history... I kinda meant it facitously. I'ts silly to think that anywhere else is better than where you are already. People have fantasies about this great rural america that doesn't exist. No dak will spit out the oil boomers as fast as the gold and coal booms did. Unfortunately the natives will be left with the mess, again. But R Means did publicly announce an invitaton a few years ago. Guess it expired. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 27815245 United States 12/07/2012 08:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm in Texas right now (not where I wanted to be at this particular moment in history) -fortunately far enough outside a major metro area where I would be relatively safe for a little while anyway. I think Texas is probably one of the worst places to be when the dollar collapse happens. I'm hoping it holds off until I can get back to my home state of Washington in the spring. Quoting: Uke What state or states do folks deem the worst to be in and why...? doode, if any state survive it will be Texas only state that can make it on its own besides , it would be great opportunity to secede from the union dollar collapse ? who gives the f#ck we will have our own currency sitting on s#it load of oil have access to the sea and mexico Texas already has it's own currency. It's called the lone star card. I say we cut texas loose right now and watch them eat their false pride. Seceed my ass, I love how every texan thinks they're benefiting from the oil that doesn't belong to them. In Texas, there is very little federal land its all State land The Texas General Land Office manages state lands and mineral rights totaling 13 million acres. This includes vast properties in West Texas, Gulf Coast beaches and bays and all “submerged” lands 10.35 miles out into the Gulf of Mexico, as well as a variety of state agency acreage and timberlands in East Texas. [link to www.glo.texas.gov] You are not the state of texas. You are just another cattle. If your name is not bass or pickens or moncrief or...you will foot the bill. |
IRQ_1 User ID: 24600584 United States 12/07/2012 08:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's a tough one. Once you get past the obvious doom areas, New Madrid, coastlines, islands and areas in CLOSE proximity to nuclear power plants it gets pretty deep. At first being away from people takes priority but then organized groups do tend to favor the less organized and can help to share labor and pools of goods in a sort of strength in numbers. Interesting thread OP, it does make you think. Jericho anyone? Jack of all trades master of none "shall not be infringed." BLUE RIBBON AWARNESS FOR MENS' HEALTH Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent. --ISAAC ASIMOV I never 'Ad hominem' I don't need to. The Constitution means everything or nothing. You can't have both. |
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Luke25 User ID: 25078444 United States 12/07/2012 08:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm in Texas right now (not where I wanted to be at this particular moment in history) -fortunately far enough outside a major metro area where I would be relatively safe for a little while anyway. I think Texas is probably one of the worst places to be when the dollar collapse happens. I'm hoping it holds off until I can get back to my home state of Washington in the spring. Quoting: Uke What state or states do folks deem the worst to be in and why...? The Bible says we will all be affected, you can't wait this thing out. Seek Jesus while you can I say. |
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