I was listening to Eben (the neurosurgeon with the NDE) last night and one thing stuck out to me...

I just finished reading his book last week. It's not like anything anyone could imagine. I strongly recommend it.

If I may paraphrase...

Don't grow old!

the portion where he is in the underground murky region... most interesting to me. it seems to describe hades in as perfect a form as possible

ooh! gonna this, it could get very interesting! BTW Salt, i think you're a-ok!

aw... thank you

the brain is governed by our consciousness not the other way around. we need to remember...

Bump to watch later - thanks, Salt

And I've known elderly people approaching death for whom the brain has slowed down (and thus filters less) and much more of the spirit comes through.

I can believe scripture writers would select the then commonly-used word "hades" with its secular connotations to describe this murky region.

I don't know if the interview included this part or not, but Eben said that after awhile he was easily able to leave that region (be "raised" from it) into what he would later label as "heaven."

If you really want to understand what happens after we die, consider reading this well known book. This is the knowledge known by the Tibetans for a very long time, hidden from us here in the West. It is a must study for all who really want to know.

[link to www.amazon.com]

Have you read either of John Lerma's books? He's a palliative care specialist that works with hospice patients. Many of his accounts seem too fantastic to be true, but very interesting nonetheless.

i think he describes it as being "rescued"

but he also said it felt like he was down there for millenia

i have not but will give them a glance

considering the tragedy today, this thread is not important. but, if it offers one person a little encouragement...

we don't die. we don't.
and where we go from here is better than words can describe.

Currently reading his book "Proof of Heaven".

So far, it has been very enlightening.

Amen to ^^THIS^^

Is this the Neurosurgeon who wrote a book and has been making rounds giving interviews?

I listened to him on Coast 2 Coast and also a follow up interview he did with Linda Moulton Howe. Some points he made:

- He does not believe that any such 'hell' exists based on his experience. He says the unconditional love he experienced from the 'light' led him to believe that no such force could be responsible for creating any such place known as 'hell'. Says he passed through a dark, murky layer or place where he got the impression of 'roots'/'vessels' around him. He says he passed through this layer and believes many who have had NDE's have miscontrued this as 'hell' and he believes they may not have passed through this layer as he did, which he did not sense was 'hell'. "Didn't go far enough."

- Feels the word 'God' is so limiting and does not like to use it. Says 'God' or the unconditional, loving divine light/force he experienced is so much more than a single word could ever do justice and feels there are many misconceptions attached to this word.

- I believe he spoke some on his belief in reincarnation but I can't recall exactly what he said other than affirming his feelings on the phenomena.

- The 'guardian angel' he met during his experience turned out to be his biological sister that he never knew! He found this out several months after his experience. He was adopted and his biological family reached out to him and sent him a photo of his sister who was deceased at the time of his experience. It was the same woman from his NDE experience!


Totally agree with the message that cosciousness is not sourced in the brain. A portion or element of our consciousness leaves our body when we enter the dream state! I had read this for years and always kept an open mind about this assertion. Not long ago I woke up with a recollection of an experience from the night before. I had been sleeping in bed on my stomach and remember seeing myself from above and then I was immediately back in my body and seeing things from the vantage point of my eyes. I was startled when this happened as I felt there was a 'presence' behind me or watching me. However it wasn't until I contemplated on this the next morning that I was able to connect the dots and realize that it was ME who was looking down on my body and the process of my perspective changing so quickly from outside my body to back inside my body was what gave me the false impression that it was someone else there with me.


Good thread.

nice! and agreed.

Thread: The Truth about Hell - but the mainstream fundies can't accept it. and maybe you can't either

Any human concept of God immediately puts God in a box. I'm not sure how we get around that, except to acknowledge it and realize we are using shorthand notation.

For that matter the words in Scripture, being physical, cannot possibly capture the totality of spiritual meaning behind them.

right. i don't think we can really wrap our heads around the omnipresent omnipotent loving Creator. i think Eban's description (and he doesn't know scripture) amply describes what we have been having trouble understanding.

^^THIS^^ is what I found fascinating about the book. Since he doesn't know scripture and all the fancy church-speak, his descriptions use fresh words... makes it come alive for me.

Thank you Salt. Love this thread.

Some good info and an audio interview:

[link to www.skeptiko.com]

thanks for the link!

We were created in the creators image is what we have all heard.

It goes deeper than that. We are all part of the same consciousness experiencing this reality in a human form.

When our human form ceases to function we are then return whole to the consciousness as pure energy or spirit or soul.

There are many dimensions or realms to reality. Modern physics says that there are 11 dimensions to reality yet we can't experience most of them.

Death in human form is a new beginning, a beginning that we experience over and over again.

idiot

I vaguely recall that enigmatic half-man/half-God saying something about becoming like little children in order to fully relate with him and what he was all about.


Cheers!
John
Detroit

I read the book as well in November. I also found it compelling.

I also wanted to read on his thoughts on why we are all on Earth.

I also feel he was being totally truthful in what happened to him.

yes!
but he was fully God and fully man...
but, i agree