Thread for Atheists & Christians - STFU

According to the statistics I've seen, there are perhaps 15,000 Gnostics worldwide. It's not even a proper religion, with only a handful of organized places of worship and leadership.

Gnostic thought is a mishmash of practically a dozen religions. They purport to be true Christians but then there's no documents earlier than the Fifth century. They were a heretical cult that totally fabricated every aspect of Christianity.

On GLP there are many Gnostic Christians who actually make crazy claims. Most have very bad red karma ratings for making those claims.

Despite all the things you claim to believe, most of you worship Lucifer. On many Gnostic websites there are clear Satanic symbols.

You are hopeless deluded and worshiping evil. I can think of no worse religion or a more dangerous cult.

Last Edited by Don'tBeAfraid on 02/04/2013 10:34 PM

LOL... Now I really had to laugh at this one... When you know who is really behind christianity, and islam for that matter... The statement, that I am deluded and worshipping evil is very ironic...

No, it is you, who are deluded and worshipping evil...Wolve's in sheeps clothing comes to mind...

Btw, I really do not know what gnostic refers to... To me, it is all a bunch of labels, that means nothing... But, I can assure you, the last thing I would ever get involved in, is a group of any kind...

All groups are infiltrated... It is go your own way...

You see folks, the Gnostics believe in one of the oldest heresies. They think that the god of the old testament is the demiurge. It has it's roots in Marcionism which can be dated to about 144 AD.

Gnostic documents date to the Fifth Century.

Then they decided to mix in some Buddhism and declare that some people are Bodhisattvas.

Then they decided to mix in some Luciferians who were doing there own thing but some decided to infiltrate the Gnostics.

Then they hooked some the Alchemists, then Rosicrucians, then Illuminati, Free Masonry.

Then they adopted New Age practices in the 20th Century and channeling.

They've been around in force since the Fifth Century though. Because it's a mishmash, then one Gnostic can believe in practically whatever they want. It's not like anyone of their beliefs will criticize them.

Of course they can't get away from their early beliefs in Lucifer and they totally re-wrote their version on the Bible. It probably would have died out, but there were a couple found during the medieval period of the Crusades as well as the 17th Century. Then in the modern era a cache was found at Nag Hammadi.

It is very dangerous. It has nothing to do with Christianity, but they like to infiltrate any discussion of Christianity. They start by talking about the Gospel of Thomas, then usually Enoch.

Last Edited by Don'tBeAfraid on 02/04/2013 10:54 PM

See Bolded...

Nope, beep, wrong... As I said before, you are clueless, about what is really taking place on this planet...You will never find it by researching religious material... It will lead you down many rabbit holes as intended, until you expire...

Btw, you keep referring to me as gnostic, when I told you, I do not know what it means, and I DO NOT associate with any group...

But, I get your drift - you do not like gnostics and wish to bash them... They probably feel the same about you...

Ah endgame, it was never meant to go out peacefully!!!

Here is another wrong bit that i have added bold pront to.

From Wikipedia

The development of the Syrian-Egyptian school
Bentley Layton has sketched out a relationship between the various gnostic movements in his introduction to The Gnostic Scriptures (SCM Press, London, 1987). In this model, "Classical Gnosticism" and "The School of Thomas" antedated and influenced the development of Valentinus, who was to found his own school of Gnosticism in both Alexandria and Rome, whom Layton called "the great [Gnostic] reformer" and "the focal point" of Gnostic development. While in Alexandria, where he was born, Valentinus probably would have had contact with the Gnostic teacher Basilides, and may have been influenced by him.

Valentinianism flourished after the middle of the second century CE. This movement was named after its founder Valentinus (c. 100–180 AD/CE). The school is also known to have been extremely popular: several varieties of their central myth are known, and we know of "reports from outsiders from which the intellectual liveliness of the group is evident." It is known that Valentinus' students elaborated on his teachings and materials (though the exact extent of their changes remains unknown), for example, in the version of the Valentinian myth brought to us through Ptolemy.

Valentinianism might be described as the most elaborate and philosophically "dense" form of the Syrian-Egyptian schools of Gnosticism, though it should be acknowledged that this in no way debarred other schools from attracting followers. Basilides' own school was popular also, and survived in Egypt until the 4th century.

Simone Petrement, in A Separate God, in arguing for a Christian origin of Gnosticism, places Valentinus after Basilides, but before the Sethians. It is her assertion that Valentinus represented a moderation of the anti-Judaism of the earlier Hellenized teachers; the demiurge, widely regarded to be a mythological depiction of the Old Testament God of the Hebrews, is depicted as more ignorant than evil.

To read more on this obscure sect visit [link to en.wikipedia.org]

All of this is so heretical that I really don't feel comfortable talking about Gnosticism. I'll leave that to you.

Because Gnosticism evolved over time, I have given you the earliest date that I know of with the Marconian Heresy of around 144 AD. They absorbed a lot. There were a lot groups developing texts. That doesn't mean that say the original Marconian Heresy believers were Gnostics. I doubt you can find a scholar to say that. They are the antecedants of Gnostic thought.

I'll leave you all to discuss this real noxious stuff.

Last Edited by Don'tBeAfraid on 02/05/2013 09:49 AM

Thank you. Your respect is appreciated, and mutual.

“In a foxhole, there are no atheists.” The Reverend William T. Cummings (Bataan)

I'm not sure if most of you know what Bataan means. It was a horrific event that happened in history during WW2 to POWs captured by the Japanese.
“The Bataan Death March which began on April 9, 1942, was the forcible transfer by the Imperial Japanese Army of 60-80,000 Filipino and American prisoners of war after the three-month Battle of Bataan in the Philippines during World War II.All told, approximately 2,500–10,000 Filipino and 100-650 American prisoners of war died before they could reach Camp O'Donnell. Death tolls vary, especially amongst Filipino POWs, because historians cannot determine how many prisoners blended in with the civilian population and escaped.

The 128 km (80 mi) march was characterized by wide-ranging physical abuse and murder, and resulted in very high fatalities inflicted upon prisoners and civilians alike by the Japanese Army, and was later judged by an Allied military commission to be a Japanese war crime.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]


I'm not preaching here. If you've read my posts, there's free will. What you believe is entirely up to you. I understand that many of you have issues with Christianity. That's OK, I equally have issues with one religion in particular. We are human and we all have things which we dislike and even loathe.

Rational people are rare. Most people argue like children. Many people lack the intellectual capacity to either debate or use the dialectic to discover truth. Others cannot write well, though they have great ideas. Others don't care and they simply post nonsense as evidence , because they've never debated anyone before, and can't be bothered to learn how to debate or discuss things rationally.

We will never ever convince anyone to become an Atheist, Agnostic, Christian by reading a post on GLP. All people will either like or feel neutral or dislike a post and then respond in silly ways. Much of that is a terrible time-waster.

Instead, what would really help you, whether young or old, would be to open some books on philosophy or spirituality, and then learn to read what others have written. Then being educated in your passionate beliefs, and then having contemplated what YOU think, then YOU can decide what you think.

In seminary, a lot of Christians have a very very difficult time. Some seminaries challenge folks to prove all of their assertions. It's not enough to say, “I believe this and so it is so.”

Rational people, believe it or not, exist among Christianity. Rational people believe it or not, exist among Atheists and Agnostics. If we can find common ground then we could eliminate a ton of discord around us. We are not the enemy of each other.

I write mostly from a prepper background. I'm not a paranoid person, but from my youth I saw the beauty of Nature from a Native American perspective on the connectedness of all species. That made me very aware of God, but I also intentionally took classes on those skills and practiced them in a rural community.

I think many of you feel concerned about how life is changing. Things are less secure than they were six years ago. There's been a decline in the standard of living as well as a commensurate increase in the cost of living as well as the loss of jobs in many nations. All is NOT well.

When we see the active signs of Entropy around us, the gradual decay of relationships, items, cultural phenomena, war, drought, famine, etc then the best way to deal with that is to chose life-affirming ancestral skills. When you grow things or find wild edibles in Nature, when you hunt, trap, or fish, when you raise animals, then you feel the heartbeat of Nature in all species. Some of that is hard to understand for vegans for they dislike using animals. I understand that and respect your choices.

By reading and discovering what you belief or disbelieve and becoming a better communicator, then you hone your mind and spirit. When you grow things... then you hone the body, mind, and spirit. If you risk doing both, you might find that there is a connection between those very different things.

Journal your Odyssey of the Mind. Write down what you think and then re-read what you think. Then see how far you've come. Don't just live like flotsam floating down a river. Don't just follow everyone else who are drifting along. Worse, some people stare blankly at the sky above as they drift and are entirely obtuse to the other's drifting. It's why we don't feel connected to each other's suffering.

Paddle your canoe instead and YOU chose which way to go.

As things continue to decline, doing the above will strengthen and empower you. You might have to rely upon those skills instead of shopping at a grocery store. Even if you never have the disaster of facing an extended ice storm, you probably will face unemployment, divorce, death of spouse, etc at some point in your life. Having done those two things above, you might cope better.

When faced with a crisis, most people will find a measure of belief. It might be encountering God for seldom will your own strength of character be suffice within a terrible storm.

Real understanding comes through suffering. When we suffer, some people are so immersed in it, that they can't see that their neighbor is also suffering. If they become cognizant of the suffering of the Other, then they often will think, “They are like me. They suffer too. Their suffering is worse than mine. I have some skills, maybe I could ease their suffering? Maybe they know a way to ease mine? We don't agree about much, but at least we share this much.” If you can do that with those you disagree with, and that process often happens as you get older, some of us become more altruistic.

Altruism is a natural aspect of any spirituality. If there isn't any altruism in your spirituality, then chances are instead of sharing love and friendship, then your love become rape, a warped evil criminal practice instead.

Altruism is a natural aspect of any philosophy. Because you “woke up” by deep contemplation, you want others to “wake up” too. Make sure that's tempered by altruism or not forcing your ideas on others...that's also rape.

Last Edited by Don'tBeAfraid on 02/05/2013 10:41 AM

DBA, you write eloquently, and would most likely be a good group leader...

But, you have not climbed the spiritual ladder enough to recognise what this galaxies purpose, and what your participation in it, is all about...

Using, a one god principle, does not really apply in the sense of what most people think... IMO, there is a prime source, and from this source, many leaves have sprung...

This galaxy, is a duality by design experiential learning creation... It has creators who set this galaxy in motion, they are not your god's... They are one step in their progression, and at one time they also participated in a galaxy creation...

That experience prompted their decision to be involved in galaxy creation, for the tremendous learning opportunity...

Your soul, and no, it is not in the body, is a participant in this galaxy... It participates by projecting a stream from itself to animate your body... This is what religion would call - the holy spirit... This is an attempt by other players in this galaxy to bring you under the one god paradigm...

Your spirit stream, and mine, are completely different, in terms of objectives, and path choices... True, at the beginning of galaxy participation, the objectives are very similar, but, eventually our unique differences has to shine through...

It is monotheism, in a polytheistic galaxy... When you have advanced enough to recognise this, you live it...Going your own way, recognising group thought and coercion for what it is...

Even the planetary soul is on it's own path... Different, in that it experiences in wave patterns, such as herd of animals, row of trees, school of fish, etc,. Where as, the soul who took the hu-man path experiences individually...

This planet is unique, in that it has some very advanced souls on this planet, who are on their last leg of galaxy participation... This planet was designed for huge diversification in experiential patterns, where individuality is expressed and shines through...

That, this planet has moved towards a one world concept, is counter to it's purpose... Signalling the end of the experiential process on this planet...

Make no mistake, this is endgame... Those souls that are ready, will move on, out of the galaxy... Those that are not, will continue experiential lessons on another planet...

You will never find this information in religious material, it has to come from within, and that will only happen, if your soul is on it's last leg...

In the end, all is revealed...

Harbouring ill feeling towards anyone, or group is not a spiritually advanced way... After all, it is an experiential learning process, and you will be on all sides of the fence many times...

How do you know you know? Explain

Theists and atheists are both believers

^^^THIS^^^

non-theism

look into it.

Thanx

Some Q's if you don't object...

What is god? Please be specific.

What is the meaning and value of god?

What are the alternatives?

Ask the ones who are so intent on convincing you. I'm just some guy with a completely subjective experience.

Overall, I like your thinking OP. Just wondering, have you looked into

1. Quantum Mechanics (real QM and not quantum quackery)
and its significances (or what it really means, as in, no solid matter)

2. Chaos Theory

3. Consciousness itself as primordial


????

What do you think of the Universe/multiverse as a quantum fractal that is self aware as a hypothesis.


Your thoughts please.

1. I have a degree in 2ndary Math/Physics/Chem Education. So I'm well-aware of Quantum Mechanics (Physics 102 where I'm from, so to speak).

2. Chaos Theory - A theory (or group thereof) that depends too much on "initial conditions" (YET in a dynamic universe). WORTHLESS, IMHO.

3. What IS consciousness? It is (at least) "A subject which observes itself". But a rock does that... What about "a subject which observes itself observing itself"? A plant does that AND SO ON. Exponentially so.

interesting topic and thread +5

Thank you, CP. Your opinion is really valuable to me.

I can't believe cunts are still arguing this. Did any of you actually read the OP?

I wonder the same thing, 404!

It's all in the OP and it's all irrefutable.

But we're not dealing with "class acts" here. LOL.

Understood sir, they were not directed at you personally, instead they are directed at the topic of this thread.
Please only consider them as "food for thought" for you and the general reader, (me too).

Concerning 'experience',

there is the experience
the perception of the experience
the interpretation of the experience
and memory of experience
and precursors to the experience (frame?)

as an NDE'er myself, i have more questions than answers.

maaaaan i would like to know you as a friend !!!..your brain is rare !! great

I did read it.

I'm asking questions, how does that constitute an argument in your mind?

And what's your point?

Anything relevant to the topic, or are you just having a hissy fit?

you are right 100% man !! this guy actually tricked me ten minute ago to beelive him on what he said , my bad i did`t wrote all his treads to understand clearly what he really mean , he is a good thinker and a god man i think , but he is wrong in this way , really he has no clue about that , by the way he use this word " mishmash " !! , he knows what this word mean or the origin of this word ?!!?!

Here's what I'm driving at and will leave it at this:

If you can't explain exactly what it is you are talking and what it means, then how did you determine to the basis of having argument (god.no god) in the first place?

Until you can answer that your argument completely meaningless in the first place


thus.......

No Argument! Find something else to argue about, nothing to see here folks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We all Human have Pineal Gland Third Eye.

fix

and there's another problem for both camps.....


FALSE DICHOTOMY.

Your argument is moot.

I have found that not to be so...

Each and every person and thing that we assume to be part of reality (or not), is there for the individual; not always available to others participating (or not), in the same event.

Isn't spiritualism, religion a personal experience?... hence there is no argument, simply an individual perception of 'what is going on'.....

to be at peace therefore, is to acknowledge the 'deference', and assume that the other party has the right to believe what they will based on interpretation, albeit, upgringing...

Last Edited by CitizenPerth™ on 02/07/2013 05:28 AM