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In reality, the chinese lanterns, flares, and etc. actually are orbs of light. That's is what they are intended to be.

Ufo's with their lights on, just like our aircraft with their lights on, or your car with it's lights on, are real physical objects and not orbs of light.

I'm glad to have this opportunity to clear up the disinfo and bad information deliberately dished out over a period of years.
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In reality, the chinese lanterns, flares, and etc. actually are orbs of light. That's is what they are intended to be.

Ufo's with their lights on, just like our aircraft with their lights on, or your car with it's lights on, are real physical objects and not orbs of light.

I'm glad to have this opportunity to clear up the disinfo and bad information deliberately dished out over a period of years.
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You don't know shit!


How much does the Government know about the Orbs/UFO's showing up worldwide?

How do we know that? We know, because in 2006, the British 'Ministry of Defence' (MOD) released some classified UFO files to the public, which can be viewed
here:

1. The UK 'Ministry of Defence'

[link to webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk]

In the MOD report it says, amongst a lot of other things that are indeed noteworthy:

"That Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon (UAP or UFO) exist is indisputable. Credited with the ability to hover, land, take off, accelerate to astonishing velocities and vanish. They can reportedly alter their direction of flight suddenly and clearly can exhibit aerodynamics characteristics well beyond those of any known aircraft or missile - either manned or unmanned.

The Conditions for the initial formation and sustaining of what are apparently buoyant charged masses (of Plasma), which can form, separate, merge, hover, climb, dive, and accelerate are not completely understood.

Dependent on a color's temperature and aerosol density, it may be seen visually, either by it self generated plasma color, by reflected light, or silhouette by light blockage and background contrast.

Occasionally and perhaps exceptionally, it seems a field with, undetermined characteristics can exist between certain charged buoyant objects in loose formation, the intervening space between them forms an area, viewed as a shape, often Triangular, from which the reflection of light does not occur. This is a key finding in the attribution of what have frequently been called black "Craft", often triangular and up to hundreds of feet in length. - The UK Ministry of Defence"


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2. The Portal -- The Hessdalen Lights Phenomenon

Hessdalen is a central Norwegian small village located in a 9.3 miles (15km) long valley. We find it approximately 75 miles south of a larger Norweigian city, Trondheim. Normally, it would have been quite an insignificant little village, with only 120 people living there, and few people in the world would have known it even existed. However, Hessdalen has been quite well known internationally for occasional occurrences of a "sometimes ominous luminous phenomena called the 'Hessdalen Lights'. The phenomena is monitored by the 'Hessdalen AMS [Automatic Measurement Station, editor's note]'"[2].

These unusual lights have been reported in Hessdalen since at least back in the 1940s. However, there was a great increase in these sightings over the period of December 1981 until the summer of 1984, when people could apparently see the lights as often as 15-20 times a week. Then the amount of sightings decreased again to a relatively steady amount of 10-20 sightings a year, in average.

The light people see is often bright white or yellow (compare the Eastlake UFOs) and of unknown origin to the villagers and scientists. These lights are "standing or floating above the ground level."[3] And these are not just flashing lights; they can be seen, sometimes for hours at the time!

Due to the increased sightings in the early 1980s, a research team nick-named 'Project Hessdalen'[5] was initiated by Dr. Erling Strand in 1983. In 1988, the 'Hessdalen AMS', which basically is a research station, was built in the valley. It registers and records the appearance of these lights. Later, the EMBLA program was initiated. It brings together established scientists and students into researching these lights. Leading research institutions are Østfold University College (Norway) and the Italian National Research Council.[4] So it's obvious that these lights can't be easily explained. In fact, these research institutions, after almost 30 years of steady research, have no clear idea of what these lights are. In Wikipedia, it gives us a number of bullet points, showing us what some scientists are guessing that it is. However, none of these explanations includes that the lights has some kind of higher consciousness, which is quite apparent to anyone who has ever seen them. Nothing artificial can make loops and patterns like that. There are those who would object and say that nothing we know of could make patterns like that, but the thing is that anyone who is objective to start with will see that these lights are moving around by consciousness. I haven't watches them on site, but it's enough to watch them on videos to be able to tell.

But to make sure, let's see what local eye witnesses think about the lights in Hessdalen:



One of the remarks a professor does is "where is the power cord; where is the fuel?" And he is nailing it down right to the point; these lights are not moving around with assistance from any known energy source, at least not to mainstream science.

The video presentation, 'The Portal' (Multimedia A-3 above) is a 47 minutes long video, filled with very reliable eye witnesses that have all seen similar things. The light phenomena are changing speed, indicating no mass by physical means, and "seems to be able to take on pieces of plasma or energy from the ground while passing by".[6] The same thing has been reported regarding the Eastlake UFOs. 'The Portal' continues the presentation by saying, "The phenomenon seems to radiate energy, due to the light and frequent change of color".[7] But also, some eye witnesses have, in connection with the sightings, felt the foul smell of sulphur. Apparently, in 2004 the scientists detected the light phenomenon several times, directly above a specific sulphur mine outside the village. "So this mine must be very special", says one of the interviewed locals of Hessdalen.[8] Although these lights have been seen hovering above the sulphur mine, it's just another theory, they add. The lights do not follow any fixed pattern, and certainly don't always hover over sulphur mines.

A spectral study has been done as well of the phenomenon, and it's been shown to contain oxygen, nitrogen, and silica, which in reality means air and dust. But there were also traces of the rare element of scandium, which can only be found in Scandinavia! Scandium is an extremely hard substance which can be found in the production of Soviet hydroplanes. This material is strong enough to cut through ice caps![9] The same material was used in Soviet fighters (and perhaps still is?) The Soviets had developed high-strength weldable aluminum alloys using Scandium. Now, that is interesting, because it's exactly what has been reported in the Eastlake UFO sightings! Eye witnesses have sometimes heard, sometimes seen (or both), how the UFOs have cut through the ice cap, making a massive sound. The Norwegian research team has now, as mentioned above, expanded their staff to include college students and others, because they need much more manpower to go to the bottom with this interesting phenomenon. It should be mentioned for research purposes that this phenomenon has also been observed in combination with the aurora borealis, starting out around 9:30 in the evening (fig. A-11).[10]

[link to wespenre.com]

What we're seeing in the picture is the light starting out with the glowing orb to the left, moving all the way to the right, and back all the way to the left, past the start point. The distance between the far left and far right is estimated to be 10-15km, which is about 5-7 miles. The exposure time from the camera was 30 seconds. What surprises the scientists is when they look at the spectrum at the bottom (made on purpose by the camera lens) it's continuous over the spectra, from red to violet. The way the spectrum shows up indicates there is no gas or fuel that's running the 'engine' (if any), but it certainly looks like it could be a solid object, they say, or from plasma with high density, or molecular chemical compositions.

Figure A-12. Nikola Tesla

At the same time, the phenomenon is registered on radar. The interesting thing with the radar readings is that the object was only seen for a few minutes, but on the radar it registered for 4 hours!

A scientist that's interviewed in the video is quite curious about the phenomenon, because it acts like a ball of fire, but it doesn't expand, and in the combustion process, it should expand according to today's scientific norms. So something must be able to hold that ball of fire together, he says, like a magnetic field; like a plasmoid; a magnetic field that 'traps' plasma and keeps it inside the volume of the orb. They are therefore looking for the mechanism that stores the energy, and why this power source is so incredibly powerful in its intensity. And what's really curious about it is that the orb can keep this plasma trapped and in a powerful density over a long duration of time. This is mainly what the scientists are now trying to find the solution to. The scientist in the interviews ends off on a positive note, saying that this mysterious way of storing energy could be something we humans may be able to use in the future instead of petrol (gas), and nuclear power. He thinks there may be in the atmosphere, a natural storing mechanism not yet understood by science. Can this become the energy source of the future? they speculate.

The idea of extracting energy from thin air (or vacuum), is not new. Already in the 1920s, Nikola Tesla had discovered enormous energy potentials in what he called the 'flux field', or the 'vacuum field', by some scientists called the 'plenum' (in other words, the 96% dark matter and energy, which in alien term is called the 'KHAA', meaning 'breath'). Today, we hear about this as 'Zero-Point-Energy'. At this point, the narrator in the video says, there is no known way to extract this kind of energy, but suggests that this may be what we are seeing over Hessdalen; someone, or something is able to do just that, and whatever it is, it's showing us that it's doing it!

Lastly, the film producer is elaborating on that this could potentially be even bigger than that. Is Hessdalen perhaps a portal to another world, or another reality?

So, what is known so far about the pulsating orbs of light UFOs showing up worldwide? The following is the conclusions from over 25 years of research and after Italian SETI scientists got involved with much more sophisticated equipment:

The phenomenon is identified as a bright flying object with special characteristics making it unique to science.

The phenomenon is more complex and diverse than expected, indicating more than 1 single kind of phenomenon.

The phenomenon is sometimes made up of separate units that may depart and fly away.

The speed varies from still to 8km per second.

The phenomenon changes course in speeds indicating no mass by physical means.

The phenomenon seems to be able to take on pieces of plasma or energy from the ground whilst passing by.

The phenomenon seems to radiate energy due to the light and frequency change of colour.

Many interesting spectra in the optical and radio frequency range have been detected but more data is needed to draw proper conclusions.

These scientific data are quite sensational! We are dealing with a real existing phenomenon which can be observed even though this is difficult.[11]


For a layman it would be convenient to brush these phenomena off as atmospheric balls of light, which do exist and is an atmospheric phenomenon, and therefore moving back and forth on some atmospheric 'current', but this is not logical when we observe how the orbs move and the typical, precise formations they are taking. It's easy to see that it's not random, and therefore most likely is something controlled by some perhaps higher intelligence.

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3. BAASS - 'Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies' and Robert Bigelow

BAASS means 'Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies', and sounds like a government organization. However, it is not. It is a company, owned by real estate billionaire Robert Bigelow of Las Vegas, Nevada.[12] In late 2009, Robert Bigelow made a deal with MUFON (the 'Mutual UFOs Network), which is officially a non-profit organization which investigates UFO sightings. It is one of the largest and oldest UFO organizations in the United States. Bigelow has promised to provide MUFON with whatever they need to find actual hardcore proof of the existence of alien spacecraft (and of course, alien beings). This means, foremost, alien debris of crashed UFOs etc. For many UFO enthusiasts, this is met with both positive and negative responses. Positive in the sense that MUFON now have the funding they need to expand their investigations, and negative in the sense that some feel that MUFON is now owned by Bigelow. And MUFON has been working as an independent research group, allegedly.

Figure A-13. Billionaire Robert Bigelow, big UFO 'enthusiast'?

However, the above debate is probably not even what is the most relevant. In a policy from the U.S. Department of Transportation, Federal Aviation Administration, Order JO 7110.65U with effective date, February 9, 2012, it says under Section 8. Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) Reports:

9-8-1. GENERAL

a. Persons wanting to report UFO/unexplained phenomena activity should contact a UFO/ unexplained phenomena reporting data collection center, such as Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies (BAASS) (voice: 1-877-979-7444 or e-mail: [email protected]), the National UFO Reporting Center, etc.

b. If concern is expressed that life or property might be endangered, report the activity to the local law enforcement department.[13]


This should be quite concerning for the serious UFO enthusiast and researcher, because it shows a definite link between Robert Bigelow's BAASS and the Federal Government. So the FAA, as of February 2012, wants us to report UFO sightings to a private company, under the disguise of a very government sounding name (similar to the 'Federal Reserve', which is not Federal at all, but privately owned by International bankers, such as the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers). And of course, if we follow the trail, we find MUFON on the other side, collecting funds from Bigelow, who has his government connection. So, privacy and integrity is therefore most likely to go out the window, although I'm sure MUFON hasn't been working in public interest for many, many years. This is all, as usual, just the tiniest tip of the iceberg.

So, how does Robert Bigelow come into the picture in regards to the Eastlake UFOs, which is the story line for this paper? Well, in the midst of all happenings in Michael Lee Hill's life, he was contacted by Investigator Gary Hernandez, who said he was looking into the Lake Erie phenomenon. In August of 2010, Hernandez sent a message on Michael's facebook page, inquiring about what Michael knew about the Eastlake UFOs. In short, they communicated some back and forth, and Michael was sharing some information with the investigator, because he wanted the story to come out in the open as much, and as soon as possible.

Figure A-14. BAAS Investigator, Gary Hernandez

In November, curiously enough, Investigator Hernandez, in a facebook message I have in my possession, told Michael there were certain things he couldn't tell him due to the nature of a contract Hernandez had signed. He added, "I don't want to disappear now!", indicating that he was at great risk if he told Michael about classified things. A few days after that he wrote: "In regards to BAASS I am the only investigator who has been revealed through the Isles of Capri, Fla., Niagara Falls, Canada , the Lake Erie incident and the skin walker ranch .org website [Wes' emphasis] under whos [sic] involved (it just so happened that I was an aggresive [sic] investigator and was written about often). If the report is viewed by the screeners I will be identified. I would like to speak about it but we must keep BAASS out of it for it is a keyword in the system."

Apparently, Hernandez wanted to keep the Skinwalker Ranch in low profile as well, breaking up the web address in several parts (see bold emphasis above). We will discuss that place a little bit as well in a moment, but first, let's see what he meant when he was telling Michael about being the 'aggressive investigator'. Let's back up a little bit.

Eugene Ehrlikh of Cleveland, Ohio, had filmed some UFOs over Lake Erie, and the media got involved in the case, just like it had with Michael Lee Hill. So MUFON thought they should get involved as well, and sent an investigator named Tom Wertmen to the sighting spot. MUFON's conclusion over what they saw was planet Venus, but they changed their minds saying that what Ehrlikh had filmed was aircraft coming in and out over Lake Erie from Hopkins-Cleveland International Airport. Investigator Wertmen allegedly had spoken to traffic controllers at the airport, but no references or names were disclosed. This event has been documented by Lon Strickler on his blogspot.[14]

Strickler continues to report that both Ehrlikh and Hill simultaneously had filmed the same UFO event over the lake, without any knowledge of each other. Both were then presenting their material on 'The Alien Agenda' radio show. A few days later, on April 8, 2010, Ehrlikh was called by someone who introduced himself as an investigator from BAASS, something which was later confirmed as being correct. The caller introduced himself, and although Strickler doesn't mention him by name, the investigator was Gary Hernandez. Hernandez then demanded that Ehrlikh gave him the exact coordinates where the sighting had taken place, and when Ehrlikh started questioning the caller, Hernandez told him that these lights were not of terrestrial origin, but alien, and that there was big money involved in trying to get this technology. Ehrlikh then hung up the phone. Ehrlikh didn't have any particular problem, allegedly, to talk to MUFON or some other UFO investigative organization, but like Strickler says, when someone calls, beings quite 'aggressive', and demanding information from the witness, it is indeed time to question the motives of the caller.

So, Hernandez is calling both Ehrlikh and Hill to investigate the sighting, and he reveals to the first that this is alien technology that we are seeing in the skies above the lake (and if he is correct, in other parts of the world, too), and that there is a lot of money invested in this. And indeed, although he seems to have had more cold feet when talking to Michael, in the beginning of their communication he hinted at the same thing, saying (and I quote): "In Regards to the Lights over Lake Erie I am not absolutely convinced that they are coming from conventional aircraft. As an investigator I must be completely objective with any UFO reports which has had multiple witnesses. BAASS employees are paid professionals, all the investigators are formal Law enforcement detectives who have a higher level set of skills and experience. MUFON Takes anyone who pays the money and passes the test and works for free. That does not make them a credible source for information for me to except [sic] they're [sic] conclusion."

However, as time went by and he apparently got more confident with Michael, he told Michael that they knew what the Lake Erie phenomenon is, because it is the exact thing that is happening in Hessdalen, Norway. But not only there; these object were also flying over Utah Skinwalker Ranch, which is owned by Robert Bigelow! He said that his conclusion regarding these orbs is not that they are what people think and expect, which would be 'physical metal, nuts & bolts UFOs', as he put it, but instead more like portals and have to do with time travel. These were Hernandez' own words, according to Michael Lee Hill.

The results from years of study at the Skinwalker Ranch was released in a book called, 'Hunt for the Skinwalker', by Colm A, Kelleher and George Knapp[15]. I need to add the synopsis of the book here, as presented at amazon.com. It's pretty interesting:

"The author of the controversial bestseller Brain Trust brings his scientific expertise to the chilling true story of unexplained phenomena on Utah's Skinwalker Ranch -- and challenges us with a new vision of reality.

For more than fifty years, the bizarre events at a remote Utah ranch have ranged from the perplexing to the wholly terrifying. Vanishing and mutilated cattle. Unidentified Flying Objects. The appearance of huge, otherworldly creatures. Invisible objects emitting magnetic fields with the power to spark a cattle stampede. Flying orbs of light with dazzling maneuverability and lethal consequences. For one family, life on the Skinwalker Ranch had become a life under siege by an unknown enemy or enemies. Nothing else could explain the horrors that surrounded them -- perhaps science could.

Leading a first-class team of research scientists on a disturbing odyssey into the unknown, Colm Kelleher spent hundreds of days and nights on the Skinwalker property and experienced firsthand many of its haunting mysteries. With investigative reporter George Knapp -- the only journalist allowed to witness and document the team's work -- Kelleher chronicles in superb detail the spectacular happenings the team observed personally, and the theories of modern physics behind the phenomena. Far from the coldly detached findings one might expect, their conclusions are utterly hair-raising in their implications. Opening a door to the unseen world around us, Hunt for the Skinwalker is a clarion call to expand our vision far beyond what we know."[16]

And this place is owned by billionaire Robert Bigelow! Can anybody sense a bigger story here? For those who are interested (and I'm sure most of us are), there is an interview on YouTube with the above authors:

Multimedia A-4.

But as far as Michael Lee Hill goes, the Bigelow part of the story doesn't end here. After Hernandez had contacted Ehrlikh (and Hill as well), he got a phone call from 'The Alien Agenda' radio program, he told Michael. The caller asked Hernandez, "Why are you contacting Lake Erie UFO witnesses??? Didn't MUFON already state "Case Closed"; that they were just airplanes???"

The conclusion I must come to, in regards to what we have discussed in this section, is that MUFON, Robert Bigelow, and the U.S. Government are working together to cover up the real agenda behind 'investigating' the Lake Erie Phenomenon, which in fact is worldwide. Their real agenda (on a lower top level of the Shadow Government) is again to research nano technology, because that's where the future is. Like one of my sources once said, "those who control the nano world are in control of the Universe." This is big, much bigger than people think. The biggest investments will be in the smallest of worlds -- the super subquantum, or the nano world. And those who know what they are doing, and why, will achieve what they want, using any means to get it. Those who have read this whole series of papers, of which this is the Appendix, know what I'm talking about.

In Episode #5 of Season Three of Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura, Jesse and the crew take on what the narrator refers to as “the most far out conspiracy yet- a cover up of an extraterrestrial invasion” by Bigelow Aerospace and the so-called “Skinwalker" Conspiracy.”

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Yeh, I actually know a lot. And you are pushing disinfo.

UFO's are not orbs of light anymore than a jet with it's lights on are orbs of light.

Ufo's are real craft, often shape shift, many able to fit modularly together which can be seen in their activities as they part and rejoin.

Anyone who takes video of them can also take photos, or screen captures and see what the craft really look like.

You can do the same. If you won't provide that kind of evidence, it's because you would have to stop calling real space craft, orbs of light.
Maybe it's easier on your ego in the short run, but it's makes you look the fool not to do the real research before making proclamations.
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Yeh, I actually know a lot. And you are pushing disinfo.

UFO's are not orbs of light anymore than a jet with it's lights on are orbs of light.

Ufo's are real craft, often shape shift, many able to fit modularly together which can be seen in their activities as they part and rejoin.

Anyone who takes video of them can also take photos, or screen captures and see what the craft really look like.

You can do the same. If you won't provide that kind of evidence, it's because you would have to stop calling real space craft, orbs of light.
Maybe it's easier on your ego in the short run, but it's makes you look the fool not to do the real research before making proclamations.
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Yeh, I actually know a lot. And you are pushing disinfo.

UFO's are not orbs of light anymore than a jet with it's lights on are orbs of light.

Ufo's are real craft, often shape shift, many able to fit modularly together which can be seen in their activities as they part and rejoin.

Anyone who takes video of them can also take photos, or screen captures and see what the craft really look like.

You can do the same. If you won't provide that kind of evidence, it's because you would have to stop calling real space craft, orbs of light.
Maybe it's easier on your ego in the short run, but it's makes you look the fool not to do the real research before making proclamations.
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You have no clue what you are talking about, have you seen one? I have, 40 feet above my head, it is one ball of light, no craft.

Yet these Orbs can take on any form they wish, biological or otherwise including triangle craft as the Ministry of Defense has stated.

So unless you know more than Bigelow,and the Ministry of Defense.

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So unless you know more than Bigelow,and the Ministry of Defense.

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Notice the kinds of sources cited by MLH: The likes of Bigelow, the Ministry of Defense and the National Security Agency.
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So unless you know more than Bigelow,and the Ministry of Defense.

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Notice the kinds of sources cited by MLH: The likes of Bigelow, the Ministry of Defense and the National Security Agency.
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What soerces would you have us look into?

Links please!
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what sources I meant :-)
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So unless you know more than Bigelow,and the Ministry of Defense.

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Notice the kinds of sources cited by MLH: The likes of Bigelow, the Ministry of Defense and the National Security Agency.
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What soerces would you have us look into?

Links please!
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Read "Mirage Men: An Adventure into Paranoia, Espionage, Psychological Warfare, and UFOs" by Mark Pilkington. The best UFO book to come out in a long time. Gives you some insight into how the intelligence community and the military industrial complex have been manipulating UFO researchers for years.

[Hardcover] [link to www.amazon.com]





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