How were you introduced to the concept of the Chemtrail conspiracy?

So since you think you know my agenda . . . what is it?

A conversation with a combat pilot who was a commercial pilot . . . I think it is very interesting . . .

"Excellent questions. Seriously.As to knowing whether we're conning, there are two ways:

1. First, if you're flying a fighter (I was an F-16 pilot) your wingman will tell you when you start to con. Being line-abreast, they can see your 6:00 and can see it. We used to climb up to find the con altitude before a mock battle because we wouldn't want to give our position away - we'd climb to find the con flight level (flight level is altitude) and then fight below that altitude. The con flight level changes with the characteristics of the atmosphere. Every hour it's different at every altitude, so we'd have to check it before every engagement.

2. Second, in an airliner where you have no wingman that can check your 6:00, the only way I was ever able to tell if we were conning was to look at other airplanes at close to my altitude, OR, if the sun was at the right angle - looking at my shadow. The airplane and the con cast a shadow - if the sun is at the right angle you can see it.3. As to the fuel - yes. The fueler who pumps fuel into the jet gives us a "report" (fuel slip). That report indicates the quantity of fuel, the tanks the fuel was put in to and the type of fuel that we were fueled with.As an interesting aside - since jet fuel weighs approximatly 6.7 lbs per gallon and since .67 (decimal shift intended) is mathematically two-thirds... it was easy to check the weight of the fuel in the airplane.If they pumped 10000 lbs of fuel into the airplane, you divide 10,000 by 2/3 (when you divide by a fraction you multiply by the inverse of the fraction - 10,000 x 3/2 (or 1.5) - disregarding the decimal) and you get 1500 gallons.So, when you're pumping jet fuel, take the pounds and multiply by 1.5 and you get gallons divided by ten.




Now, as to these aerial photos you have - these are air-refueling tanker tracts. In a war, you have to have many gas stations in the sky. Tankers orbit waiting to give gas to returning fighters. That is what those cons are - unless they're photoshopped.







As to the oval cons in a previous post, that is an FCF tract.
I was an FCF pilot. FCF stands for "Functional check flight." Whenever a military or commercial jet has an engine change or a flight control change, it has to be tested on a flight before it can be used operationally. Those tests have to be conducted within a certain airspace. So, the pilot goes out a ways and then turns and comes back towards home base. They have to stay in military airspace. If they get back home and the test isn't complete, they turn away and do it again. There is no conspiracy there. Thread: Chemtrail Poll . . . do you think chemtrails are real? See the Results NOW! (Page 6)

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More of the conversation with the combat pilot . . .

Here's the point to the chem-trail deal... the chem-tards don't stop to think that the pilots will be gassed after they land. Who the hell thinks tens of thousands of pilots would poison the atmosphere when they would really be fucking not only themselves, but their own families?

Do the chem-tards really thing pilots would be immune from all this poisoning?

You are much closer to chemical poisoning on the street outside your house where the wind isn't blowing the shit away from you at 100 mph like it is in the jet stream. Anything spewed out the back of a jet over this country won't hit the ground until it's over Europe or Asia and by then it will be so widely dispersed that it won't be a factor to anyone.

Thread: Chemtrail Poll . . . do you think chemtrails are real? See the Results NOW! (Page 6)

So you think most/many pilots are knowledgeable and involved in chemtrailing . . . ?

George B,
Nice job on this thread, just thought I'd give you a compliment.

Thanks Crusader . . . I never expect everyone to agree . . . just like to keep things nice enough to have a good exchange of ideas . . .

And the debate continues . . .

:Contrail Chemtra:

Even the shows on TV have chemtrails in their background shots nowadays. I'm always taking photos of the chemtrails in action. Weather forecasters would predict rain, then comes the chemtrails, no rain. Wonder why we had a drought last year?

This company does quite a lot of cloud seeding:

[link to www.weathermodification.com]

They were hiring pilots last year.

Your observations are interesting . . . the atmosphere is a most complex and dynamic place . . . weather forceasting is not an exact science . . . it is based on probabilities . . . that is not to say cloud seeding cannot alter precipitation patterns . . . it is known it can to a certain extent . . .

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Nature even does it own cloud seeding . . .

P. syringae has been implicated as an atmospheric "biological ice nucleator", with airborne bacteria serving as cloud condensation nuclei. Recent evidence has suggested that the species plays a larger role than previously thought in producing rain and snow.

:Tomatoes:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

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It is a private contractor, sorry I said fleet but it is a large operation. They run the central states and his schedule is like a firemans schedule. They do flights very consistent

So what did this man's father say was the purpose of the flights?

POLL: How were you introduced to the concept of the Chemtrail conspiracy?
3) I notice them first in the sky and started to ask questions 52.4% (77)
2) I visited a website and they talked about them 16.3% (24)
1) Someone (a friend, family, etc.) told me about Chemtrails 11.6% (17)
9) Other . . . please specify 8.8% (13)
4) I was reading about a different conspiracy and they mentioned them . . . 4.8% (7)
5) I saw a discussion on a YouTube video 2.7% (4)
7) I was watching TV and I saw a documentary on the History Channel 1.4% (2)
8) I had a dream about them and just knew 1.4% (2)
6) I was watching TV and there was a news story about them 0.7% (1)
Blank (View Results) (13)

Non-Blank Votes: 147

Interesting #3 is getting a bit smaller . . .

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Cloud seeding, strictly weather only according to his son. How do you make a point when we can't know what chemicals are in the tanks. The crew "think" they are doing a good cause for agriculture. Hard to understand how anybody can think chemicals in the air and water are good.

AC187,
Do they fly over Chicago? :)

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Anonymous Coward 31826187; Do you know the type of aircraft, the altitudes or distances that were flown? . . . were they heavy lift aircraft . . . multi-jet engine aircraft or were they small prop aircraft, Lear jets, gulf streams, etc. ?


:C - Cloud Seedin:

[link to www.nawcinc.com]

[link to cedb.asce.org]

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Talk about weather modification and climate changes . . . Here is possibly an unprecedented event suggesting global warming . . . very interesting!!! . . .

[link to www.youtube.com]



Largest Glacier-Calving Ever Filmed....

Largest Glacier-Calving Ever Filmed..On May 28, 2008, Adam LeWinter and Director Jeff Orlowski filmed a historic breakup at the Ilulissat Glacier in Western Greenland.

[link to othersiderainbow.blogspot.com]

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[link to youtu.be]

Calgary hail storm: Cloud seeding credited for sparing city from worse disaster




‘The storm was a monster,’ says weather modification company



By Thandi Fletcher, Calgary Herald August 14, 2012


Read more: [link to www.calgaryherald.com]

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As might be expected, in agricultural areas where cloud seeding is used to help increase crop yield and reduce damage from hail, there are large economic benefits. A 2009 study of the North Dakota Cloud Modification Project found that cloud seeding operations that increased rainfall by 5 percent yield $8.4 million dollars per year, while that amount is nearly doubled to $16 million for a 10 percent increase in rainfall. This does not include the money saved from hail suppression, which is estimated to be $3.7 million per year.

Read more: Benefits of Cloud Seeding | eHow.com [link to www.ehow.com]

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If the military could create the fog conditions that were here in Nebraska for over 2 days I think it would be great for the purposes of war. No one in the sky could see the ground and viva versa for 2 and 1/2 days. If it could be done as a weather control project it would be quite an advantage. Of course pilots know where they are and can use coordinates to drop bombs anyway but you couldn't see them coming.

Another thought I have had since learning that barium and aluminum are used in blood thinners. I have read that these are found in chemtrails and I wondered if it was possible that people on the ground would be affected in a (blood thinning) kind of way.

Boarding soon, I'll get back to this if you have any comments.

Fog has been discussed as a weapon of war check out the first and second columns near the bottom . . . if aluminum or barium free in the environment could cause bleeding it would be well known as a toxic side effect . . . [link to csat.maxwell.af.mil]

:Chemtrail - Capa:

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I can imagine imagining fog for the purpose of war but I can't imagine that the technique is as well developed as the fog I witnessed. It was possibly a controlled fog but I just don't think the military is that advanced yet with it's weather work. It was a weird enough fog to make me start thinking whether it was natural though. I started to wonder if it was just an odd fog or if it was man made and it got extended longer than expected. How fine is their control (of the weather) if they have it?

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Chemtrails and resultant fog in Chicago.
Thread: Chemtrails over Chicagoland 11-22-2009
Hiding the idiocy of having terrorist interdiction joint exercises over a densely populated area of 10 million people!

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This goes to show there is much confusion about where most people get their ideas about chemtrails from. Seemingly most noticed a difference in clouds, but however when a chemtrail thread is made here almost 90% of the time it's bombarded by shills, even though your poll clearly shows 70%+ approval/belief in chemtrails, that alone is enough to tell you they are real.

Electric fog. Areas of high energy.

And then there is this : Global Climate Change which means the planet is fucked and these secret planes are trailing to save the planet until we get a handle on greenhouse gases which we are hurrying to do ...right? Like UFOs it has to be a secret because the people can't handle it. In this case though it might be just a temporary fix so those that are polluting can do it for a longer period of time, and get away with it. We don't know we are all wearing chemtrail sunscreen right now and if we did know we might be pissed that it was all being done for the purpose of greed.

So many guesses to guess, I hope they never tell us. I like to guess.

Lol UFO's reside in hollow earth and are operated by nazi pilots. See many accounts of german speaking alien abductions. See operation high jump. See new schwabenland.

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