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Anonymous Coward User ID: 34303862 United States 02/13/2013 03:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sovereigns are just people trying to survive outside the NWO Matrix. it is not they who seek a confrontation it is the Matrix who seeks them to put their shackles back on. Living in the Matrix is nothing but slavery and mind programming to hide those shackles. The best slaves are the ones who know not they are slaves. |
Zuzu (OP) User ID: 24583969 United States 02/13/2013 04:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sovereigns are just people trying Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34303862 to survive outside the NWO Matrix. it is not they who seek a confrontation it is the Matrix who seeks them to put their shackles back on. Living in the Matrix is nothing but slavery and mind programming to hide those shackles. The best slaves are the ones who know not they are slaves. You make a good point. Although I tend to think that many people know that those shackles are there but find it easier to just ignore them. Truly I can understand the compulsion to live a life of blind bliss as opposed to facing the truth of a life out of their control. After all, being blind to and embracing our own enslavement is what we’ve been trained to do since birth. Proud to share the basket with you. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 34303862 United States 02/13/2013 04:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You make a good point. Although I tend to think that many people know that those shackles are there but find it easier to just ignore them. Quoting: Zuzu when the freebies and the perks run out then we have Revolution this is why we are $16 Trillion in debt. TPTB are buying their way to stay in power. keep the slaves with phones, gadgets, drugs, religion, porn and TV and see how far they can ride that pony before somebody yells: the Emperor has no clothes |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 19980561 United States 02/13/2013 04:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sovereigns are just people trying Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34303862 to survive outside the NWO Matrix. it is not they who seek a confrontation it is the Matrix who seeks them to put their shackles back on. Living in the Matrix is nothing but slavery and mind programming to hide those shackles. The best slaves are the ones who know not they are slaves. That's the best way to describe it. If you study the Fed Reserve & 'maritime law' you'll get it. For example: Ever wonder why your Credit cards, Driver license, or ANY of your documents, your name is in upper cases? like: JOHN SMITH. Not: John Smith. Look it up...it'll blow your mind. I caution you though, you'll be going down a rabbit hole. |
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Zuzu (OP) User ID: 24583969 United States 02/13/2013 04:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sovereigns are just people trying Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34303862 to survive outside the NWO Matrix. it is not they who seek a confrontation it is the Matrix who seeks them to put their shackles back on. Living in the Matrix is nothing but slavery and mind programming to hide those shackles. The best slaves are the ones who know not they are slaves. That's the best way to describe it. If you study the Fed Reserve & 'maritime law' you'll get it. For example: Ever wonder why your Credit cards, Driver license, or ANY of your documents, your name is in upper cases? like: JOHN SMITH. Not: John Smith. Look it up...it'll blow your mind. I caution you though, you'll be going down a rabbit hole. Ok, you have piqued my interest. Down the rabbit hole I go .. Proud to share the basket with you. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 34281023 Australia 02/13/2013 04:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | start by looking at strawman law...and go from there OP-heres a silly but simple vid: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34281023 then look at maritime law etc. Maratime law just blows me away. Who sit's around & thinks this stuff up? lol ummmmmm ask a post master. i dont care what people think of him, Ive watched a lot of Johnathon Wynne Millers stuff on correct Parse Syntax-he gives an excellent explanation of the postal ties. |
Zuzu (OP) User ID: 24583969 United States 02/13/2013 04:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | start by looking at strawman law...and go from there OP-heres a silly but simple vid: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34281023 then look at maritime law etc. The video might have been a little silly but very interesting, a bit scary really. Looks like I have a lot to learn. Proud to share the basket with you. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 34281023 Australia 02/13/2013 04:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sovereigns are just people trying Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34303862 to survive outside the NWO Matrix. it is not they who seek a confrontation it is the Matrix who seeks them to put their shackles back on. Living in the Matrix is nothing but slavery and mind programming to hide those shackles. The best slaves are the ones who know not they are slaves. That's the best way to describe it. If you study the Fed Reserve & 'maritime law' you'll get it. For example: Ever wonder why your Credit cards, Driver license, or ANY of your documents, your name is in upper cases? like: JOHN SMITH. Not: John Smith. Look it up...it'll blow your mind. I caution you though, you'll be going down a rabbit hole. Ok, you have piqued my interest. Down the rabbit hole I go .. Davis wynne miller sorry- gamn. i was just reading jonathon livingstone seagull and wrote that. lmao |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 34303862 United States 02/13/2013 04:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The video might have been a little silly but very interesting, a bit scary really. Quoting: Zuzu Looks like I have a lot to learn. it's all true. Organic Act of 1871 is where we lost our Republic and our Constitution. The last soldiers to fight for true freedom and the Constitution were the Confederacy in 1865. In 1871, the US became a CORPORATION and every citizen became an asset of the US CORPORATION. But every single speaker who tours and speaks on this subject winds up dead. |
Zuzu (OP) User ID: 24583969 United States 02/13/2013 04:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wow "Does The Jones Act Put Us Under Maritime Law By Our Birth Certificate? Why Is Your Name Spelled In All Capital Letters" "Maritime admiralty law considers you a maritime admiralty product, simply because you were birthed out of your mother's water. A ship sits in its birth until the captain gives a certificate of manifest to the port authorities. The reason you are required to have a Birth Certificate is because at the time of your birth there is an exchange of money to cover hospital costs. The dock signs your birth certificate simply because that is what the ship is tied to, you will need a dock to sign your birth certificate." [link to reality-bytes.hubpages.com] Proud to share the basket with you. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 24760791 Thailand 02/13/2013 04:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Constitution is a contract with the people and the federal government. If the federal government breaks the contract, then the contract is void. It is as simple as that. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24760791 that contract has to be a contract in the first place-many are not. ta da. True, technically nobody alive today agreed to the Constitution. It can be considered legally meaningless and the federal government has no authority to exist. But they've been violating the black letter law of the Constitution for over 150 years. The federal government in its current state is entirely unlawful and has no lawful or legal authority, beyond force. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 16416118 United States 02/13/2013 05:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is just more of the same misdirection and obfuscation tptb use to reign in the sheep. I have personally seen judges get quiet when you make a reservation of your rights before the court. You have a 2 second window to SHOW COMPETENCE before a judge tries you under maritime admiralty law. They will ALWAYS use the idiots that screw up in court to scare the rest of you into compliance. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 34145418 United Kingdom 02/13/2013 05:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just to add, I talked to a UK Judge (JP) and he confirmed that indeed, the Police, Courts, Government, Political Parties and even the UK are CORPORATIONS, and that your legal PERSON is contracting when you consent. But beware, he admitted to me that they (judges) use tricks to make that contract; even answering to your full name and just turning up at court can act as that consent. One mistake and you can be held in 'contempt of court' which carries 60-day max penalty. He did say he would not give that penalty unless there were exceptional circumstances. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 34281023 Australia 02/13/2013 05:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Constitution is a contract with the people and the federal government. If the federal government breaks the contract, then the contract is void. It is as simple as that. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24760791 that contract has to be a contract in the first place-many are not. ta da. True, technically nobody alive today agreed to the Constitution. It can be considered legally meaningless and the federal government has no authority to exist. But they've been violating the black letter law of the Constitution for over 150 years. The federal government in its current state is entirely unlawful and has no lawful or legal authority, beyond force. no i meant a contract is obselete if its not written correctly. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 24289757 United States 02/13/2013 05:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sovereign Beings is a term the Ramtha group used in the last 80's ... So don't know anything about ths term Sovereign citizens Sounds like they are being labeled... a bad SPECAIL INTEREST GROUP that could cause issues with the govt? WOW... Are these people violent ??? or more Hippy Meditation groupies? |
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Zuzu (OP) User ID: 24583969 United States 02/13/2013 05:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A lot of this seems to boil down to people giving up their rites in exchange for an illusion of freedom but what choice do we really have? Without these “contract” it is nearly impossible to find work. If you can find work then you are faced with not legally being able drive to that job. (drivers license and vehicle registration being a contract of sorts) How do you then feed your family. Sure some people have the resources to grow and farm their own food but most do not. In truth from what I’ve read here if you have the land to farm it is not actually your property anyway. The government can seize it from you at will. This country has evolved into a place where it is nearly impossible to survive if you refuse to play TBTB’s games. Proud to share the basket with you. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 34303862 United States 02/13/2013 05:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Without these “contract” it is nearly impossible to find work. If you can find work then you are faced with not legally being able drive to that job. (drivers license and vehicle registration being a contract of sorts) How do you then feed your family. Sure some people have the resources to grow and farm their own food but most do not. In truth from what I’ve read here if you have the land to farm it is not actually your property anyway. The government can seize it from you at will. Quoting: Zuzu This country has evolved into a place where it is nearly impossible to survive if you refuse to play TBTB’s games. you pretty much nailed it. this is why people are trying to escape the Matrix. They are refusing to play TPTB's games. it's a perpetual cycle of slavery from birth to death and then you pass it on to your kids unless YOU break the chain as a Sovereign |
J User ID: 34311994 United States 02/13/2013 05:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "and my understanding is the few that have tried the sovreign citizen stance in court do not understand the law or correct syntax and usually purger themselves." Its my understanding that the 'sovereign citizen' argument is useless idiocy based on a series of fallacious assumptions that have no relevance to the law or the world that actual people live in...and has a near perfect record of failure in the courts. Its not 'syntax'. Its an argument that simple doesn't work nor make the slightest sense. There's no 'secret status' that magically makes people exempt from all law. There never has been. Declaring yourself a 'sovereign citizen' has no more legal relevance than insisting you're Santa Claus. The law applies just the same either way. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 29203778 Italy 02/13/2013 05:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "Sovereign citizen" is an oxymoron.you can be one or the other but not both. Im neither or between at the moment, still learning and not confident enough to make any sudden motions yet. yes, the organic act of 1871 is an issue but it goes back much further. in the US we have the issue of the missing 13th amendment from 1811 and the real reason for the war of 1812 it is. the truth is hard to uncover but the media is definately not accurate on this (or any) subject. key search words: missing 13th amendment Libel of review savings to suitors lawful money |