....And Obama gonna take his gun? yeah right....

This is in response to the Dutch person who thinks criminals should not be shot in self defense:

If three armed criminals enter your home or place of business, they aren't there for conversation. They are there to collect your things. The guns they brought with them are to counter any resistance from you. In other words, they intend to shoot you if you resist their efforts to take your things.

You can do two things here: 1) you can believe they won't REALLY kill you and just stand passively by and let them rob you, or 2) since you probably don't know them personally, you can assume you will be killed if you don't defend yourself. If YOU choose to be gullible and allow said thug(s) to relieve you of your property and possibly kill you or someone in your family, then go for it. As for us, we will pass on that and just go forward with relieving said POS of his life. Criminals are a detriment to society anyway. ARMED criminals forfeit any rights to their so-called "humanity" and the privilege to continue breathing. Have a nice day.

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If you have a weapon and are committing a crime (break into a home etc.) you are implying that you are prepared to use that weapon. Your implication gives me the right to defend myself.

and...

Starving and in SURVIVAL MODE????? Does that mean I should go into victim mode???? His survival mode as you call it is even more reason for me to be in survival mode.
The social injustices you spoke of are BS. I am of Puerto Rican descent. I was born and raised in the projects until I was done with High School. I was brought up with no one but blacks and Hispanics around me and the few white people I knew were kids from school who were from "white boy neighborhood". The only difference between me and those victims of social injustice is that I had parents who dealt with those injustices WITHOUT putting blame on white people. I was raised to respect and treat other people as I would want to be treated. If I so much as thought of doing something wrong my father was there to give me the ass whooping that was deserved. I was taught that if I wanted something I had to word hard for it. Even today at 43 if I thought about stealing something my old man would probably beat my ass in a dream.

I believe in self defense too.
But to me self defense isn't just killing.

Self defense is installing locks, camera's, a good door, know who is around, not letting strangers in, having a hot line to the cops.

There is so much you can do without resorting to killing.

That last bit I just bolded was the most dumb shit I ever read. THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU.

Also, you do know in most circumstances, the police arrive AFTER the crime has been committed. Oh, I'm dead/mugged/raped/whatever, but hey, it's okay because the police have come to clean up the mess AFTER when I'm no longer in any danger? <_<

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OK, a man with the gun has just kicked in your LOCKED door, the security alarm is going off, and you have just picked up the phone and dialed the cops.

He points the gun at you tells you to hang up the phone, and get on your knees.

What do you do?

Yes exactly so if you don't want to get shot don't attack the guys with guns.

If you had a good door nobody would be able to kick it in before the cops arrived. There are all kinds of things you can do to avoid needlessly killing people.

Outside the military, nobody in the Netherlands is allowed to own or shoot an automatic weapon.


So what are the rules governing gun ownership in the Netherlands? Dutch gun laws are actually quite strict. Gun ownership is seen not as a right, but a privilege, with hunting and target shooting the only two legitimate reasons for owning a gun.
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You'd never survive here.

Let me rephrase that then. They intend to shoot you so that there are no witnesses to their crime. Remember, you don't know them. NOW WHAT?

I seriously don't understand all this hate. I mean wtf, is the USA really so backwards that they don't respect human life and let anybody with a gun (and that is basically anybody) kill people?

Look at Europe and Australia, it is undeniably much better there, no killings and no guns. How can you sleep at night knowing your neighbour has a gun, that guy you used to fight with in high school now has loads of guns, etc. etc.?

How can you send your kids to school knowing that a maniac could pull a gun at any time and start murdering your children?

All studies show that guns increase the chance of violence and that people with guns have more chance to be killed by their own gun than by somebody else.

The USA is the only country with these kind of laws and it is a total shithole, worse than most warzones on earth.

I don't see how you can argue reality.

Isn't that what everyone is explaining to you???? If you don't want to get shot DO NOT enter my home without permission and threaten me or my family.

These aren't people. People live in society amongst others without infringing on their rights or safety. Armed thugs threatening or killing others forfeit the right to live amongst the rest of us.

that only happens in movies, why would they murder people if they are just there to rob people? You just changed your robbery charge into a double or triple murder charge, yeah totally realistic. THe only time they would do that if they have murdered already and imo at that point you ARE allowed to use self defense.

On a per-capita basis we have less murder than you.
Do the math.

As far as fucking up their lives, we generally allow three strikes, just like baseball. After the third fuck-up, you're out of society. It seems to work fairly well.

Do you provide cable TV to your inmates?

Prison time is meant not to change a man, it is meant to hearden his heart. That's what it does.

The larger percentage of criminals who are incarcerated WILL become repeat offenders and serve multiple prison terms. That is just the way it is.

Let's get back to the root problem.

You dont believe a man should be expected to take personal responsibility for his actions.

That is the core of the liberal mindset.

Blame his upbringing.
Blame the system.
Blame his environment.
Blame the white man.
Blame the Jews.

Blame everything under the sun, but no, it's not his fault.


FUCK THAT!


I take my responsibility to my family very seriously, so seriously that I carry a gun every day to ensure that I can continue to work and provide for my family in the event that some idiot robs me and wants to shoot me.

What do you have now? A deadbolt? I can kick that in no problem. One swift kick.

A lock is to keep the honest man honest. It doesn't matter what you do, someone can get into your house.

The thing I'm getting at. Is what do you do when confronted with violence? Are you the type of person to allow yourself to be killed, trusting your attacker, or will you actually take an action to defend yourself.

Clearly crime isn't bad where you are. You should be very thankful for that, but if you haven't experienced it yet. There are some bad people out there that don't want your money, they want your life, or worse.

"All studies"? Which ones are those? Because if there WERE such studies, we'd hear them over and over and over on our left leaning news outlets, 24/7/365. Cite them or STFU.

Ok, 250 murders over 16.000.000 people

300/16=18.7
18.7x250=4.500

checkmate.

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Well my honest opinion and it might be a bit controversial is that it is better to be killed than to kill.

Killing is ALWAYS wrong.

Because an ARMED populace is a POLITE populace.

No, it happens all the time. Spend a few minutes on Google. People are murdered in cold blood with or without guns, everywhere. Those people weren't able to defend themselves. You probably live in an insular environment in the Netherlands. It isn't that way here, Jack. I'm not going to wait until he kills one of my kids before he gets shot. If I had been that bar tender, I wouldn't wait until he shot a customer, either. That is just ludicrous.

yeah cause having machines that are solely used for killing makes people polite

When I tell you to cite studies, I don't mean put up some biased commentator on youtube. I mean actual, legitimate, unbiased research.

they cite studies.

And that concludes this conversation. It is pointless to argue with the insane.

Something tells me that nothing we say will sink into AC's head.
AC you're coming off as one of those evil people who exploit the fact that you live in a victim society. Do you break into people's homes and take whatever you want? Does an unarmed victim society make things easier for you?

It is just the ethical end of the road. Killing is wrong so if there is a choice between killing somebody or be killed the only logical and ethical choice is to let yourself be killed. Yeah it is harsh but that IS the only logical conclusion you can have if you believe killing is wrong and that is why you take measures to prevent such a situation from ever happening.

why do people always say that?

It is just common sense, crime happens so you try to prevent it instead of escalating it.

Wait what??? You would let your child be killed instead of you protecting it? You would allow yourself to be killed and your child be raised without a parent??

WTF?