....And Obama gonna take his gun? yeah right....

Yeah and after they get the money they beat your brains out with a pool cue for being a witness. You threaten someones life you give up any expectation of safety. I guess you socialist scumbags would try to reason with insane criminals.

This is a lie , no cops except for cops in the netherlands ( which I doubt) train to wound with firearms.

If that wasn't the case you could just give every retard a gun and say "if you are scared just shoot your gun!"

This Netherland dude HAS to be a troll.

OR they kill you, rape your wife, kill her, kill the dog, take your stuff and then leave.

[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

I was thinking that.


Why would you do that?

If your life was in danger, you wouldn't use it?

here is a good video.

If you just think away the moron with the blowhorn there are actually pretty good arguments presented against guns

[link to www.youtube.com]

Why are you pandering to this poster? He is a "troll".

Criminals are NOT VICTIMS of their upbringing or anything else. It is a CHOICE to be and act moral or immoral. There are those that have the best in the world and still will choose to do evil and criminal acts. And there are those, many, who have not let their circumstances determine their moral character and have not become criminals or choose to do evil. The choice is the same FOR ALL, no matter their circumstances, rich or poor you choose to live in dignity and character, or NOT. Some have to work harder to achieve this, and circumstances do not matter if they CHOOSE to better themselves.

OP you say that there is no way to tell if they are intending to kill you when they break in to your home or business. Are you to wait to SEE if they are actually harming/murdering and then say “Oh, so sorry you were murdered by the CRIMINAL, I guess he really was intending to do harm when he was BREAKING the LAW”? And, you say that a person who has proven their low or non existent character and determination to do evil by BREAKING THE LAW, to BEHAVE in a CIVILIZED (a law abiding, moral character etc. person) manner and NOT cross that line into harm or murder, just because the ones that they have preyed upon COOPERATES with their evil intent – to them you say when the criminal harms or murders a cooperative true VICTIM here, “ So sorry you must have won the lottery on the ONE criminal who isn’t CIVILIZED (meaning one who has moral character)”.

And to your “criminals don’t feel a need to own a gun”, here is an article about guns and crime in the Netherlands that disputes your opinion - [link to qsi.cc] And also, just how many murder victims of armed robbery (where the robber murdered the one whom he was robbing) were there in the last several years in the Netherlands? How many would be acceptable to you? You do not seem to feel the same compassion for the true victims in these cases. The ones getting robbed don’t get to CHOOSE NOT TO BE ROBBED, they are the ones getting preyed upon, on the other hand the criminal DOES CHOOSE TO DO the evil and criminal act.

And as for intent of the criminal (one who has intentions on doing harm and criminal acts despite the law) – it doesn’t take much search for you to see that many armed robbers don’t wait for someone whom they are robbing to “cooperate”, they will come in and start shooting whoever is in the place so that there are no witness or hindrance of their evil intentions and goal. What do you say about these instances when they are not given the CHOICE to COOPERATE?

You say that it is the police who they are to report it to so that THEY can capture or possible SHOOT and KILL the criminal. You have stated that ANYONE who has killed another, despite the circumstances should face some amount of incarceration. Then, by those standards the POLICE whom have killed someone should also. Are they, as people, exempt from that moral “law” of killing? Or why not?

On the same subject of anyone killing another. Should a person who is driving a car, and has a heart attack or other physical impairing circumstance, and looses control of their car and hits and kills another – by your standard this person should face incarceration for murder. I guess that they should have KNOWN that they were going to have a heart attack or whatever and not driven that day (or any other), right?

Accidents happen with no malice, negligence or intent, that result in the death of another. Should these people be called murderer’s and incarcerated? You might feel different if it happens to you. The death of anyone should be mourned as a loss. We all will die at some point, whether by accident, disease, naturally, or by another – accidentally or intentionally. Some of these can be prevented and life extended a bit longer. You seem to value the person who chooses to do evil over the one who choose to be moral and of higher character. Which one is more valuable to society? And which one should be protected for the good of society?

Thank you. Excellent post.

I simply cannot fathom how this person could watch their child be shot by an intruder, stand there be shot himself, and claims even in those circumstances, it's better to be kill than to kill.

THREE CHEERS TO THE BARTENDER!

yep...

Obama, you need to get off the proxy, and get back to work. Don't you have something more to cover up?

Shut up pussy. Put a gun in my face and you lie down period.

Was that Obammy's son that got shot?

Ok
Leftism and statism are considered good attributes in the Netherlands. Regardless of personal opinion they fall over themselves to appear to others as fair minded, generous and giving people.

Awesome quote at the bottom of your post! And don't worry, the natural selection will kick in any day...they don't have guns to protect themselves from their beloved police...

Curious, is this the general feeling in the Netherlands? I've not seen anyone else else from there chime in.

Yeah, Ole 'America might have some issues, but one thing I can tell you about us, we won't back down.

Listen here, you stupid, stupid cocksucker...my cousin in law was murdered for 78 bucks and change because he didn't hand it over fast enough, so take your fucked up bullshit opinion and SHOVE IT UP YOUR ASS, you God damned PARASITE!

Amen!!!!!!

Here is an article from my country, it is translated poorly cause I am lazy.

community service after death burglar

BREDA -
The father and son who were involved in October 2011 at the death of a 24-year-old burglar in the Brabant Steenbergen, have been both a community service. That the court in Breda Thursday determined.

 
Photo: Remco de Ruijter Photography
The victim was then bathed in the blood found in a property to the Kruitweg. He was on the run from the father and son after they had caught while some tried to steal cannabis plants at their homes. Him in the act The man then jumped through a window in panic from the outside. He died a short time later of his injuries.
The 34-year-old son has a community service of 80 hours and received a suspended sentence of one month. The 64-year-old father got to forty hours of community service imposed writes Omroep Brabant. The court also explained both an unconditional prison sentence, but because they were already at that time nearly three months in custody, they do not have the cell again.

[link to www.telegraaf.nl]

You don't just get to murder people here, we put value on human life.

Its unbelievable that this mentally exists today. This person would be plucked off in seconds here in the states.

Hope you're joking.
The criminal could have asked for some money, then the bartender would have had the option of helping the "disadvantaged" or not.
He decided to threaten people's lives instead and got a bullet in the head. Justice is served.

Yeah,t hat sounds nice, but the fact is if he is there to rob, you DO NOT KNOW that is all he will do.

If someone was gonna rob me and I had no gun....I might comply,
If I had a gun....a whole other story.

sarcasm, right?

Nope, I thought so as well.

I wish I would have knocked the fool out who was drunk and waving a gun near me before, it would have been what he deserved. I totally agree with you.