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Common Sense User ID: 1595 Netherlands 09/20/2006 12:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Traditionally I thought the Celts migrated from the Middle East or Asia Minor to Europe,also with evidence of Celtic colonisation spreading eastwards.Tombs have been discovered in China,with blondhaired mummies and Celtic clothing.Some of these Celts held positions of authority in China.Most of them migrated westward towards France,Spain,Ireland and Great Britain.So what's the big deal with Spanish fishermen? |
GREY LENSMAN User ID: 144519 Malaysia 09/20/2006 12:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | COMMON SENSE, LOOK AT YOUR TIMELINES. THE TOCHATIANS CLEARLY ARE THESE EARLY CELTS FROM THE BRITISH ISLE. SINCE THIS FORUM STARTED I HAVE MAINTAINED THE PROTOCELTIC ROOTS OF BRITONS AND THAT THE SAXON / CELTIC DIVIDE IS FALSE. ESHU. OF COURSE, THE ARLY EROPEAN SEA KINGS, MIGRATED AS FAR AS AUSTRALI AND NEW ZEALAND. THEY EMPLOYED AFRICANS AS SAILORS, THESE BECAME PHONEACIANS AND THEN CARTHAGINAINS. SO THIS CLAN IS TOTALLY EXPECTED BY ME. WILL NEED TO GET THE BOOK. GL |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 86930 United States 09/20/2006 01:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Propaganda. File that one under the same British studies that "proved" short people are dumb and men are smarter than women. Still waiting on the study that "proves" English Males are superior to all other living species on the planet. Quoting: Dallas 92632Well, clearly being a tall man means your more intelligent. They just need to prove that white people in particular ones from England are more intelligent. |
Common Sense User ID: 1595 Netherlands 09/20/2006 01:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | COMMON SENSE, LOOK AT YOUR TIMELINES. THE TOCHATIANS CLEARLY ARE THESE EARLY CELTS FROM THE BRITISH ISLE. Quoting: GREY LENSMAN 144519SINCE THIS FORUM STARTED I HAVE MAINTAINED THE PROTOCELTIC ROOTS OF BRITONS AND THAT THE SAXON / CELTIC DIVIDE IS FALSE. ESHU. OF COURSE, THE ARLY EROPEAN SEA KINGS, MIGRATED AS FAR AS AUSTRALI AND NEW ZEALAND. THEY EMPLOYED AFRICANS AS SAILORS, THESE BECAME PHONEACIANS AND THEN CARTHAGINAINS. SO THIS CLAN IS TOTALLY EXPECTED BY ME. WILL NEED TO GET THE BOOK. GL What book would that be and where to get hold of it? |
Manticore User ID: 145725 United Kingdom 09/20/2006 02:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Whatever. Why does any of this matter? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 145729We are where we are. Why aren't people's souls important? It's only where you can be labeled from that matters. Because your soul can't be proven, but your genealogy can. Your ancestors are a part of you, essentially. |
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Redheaded Stepchild nli User ID: 142074 United States 09/20/2006 02:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If I was the author of that article, I guess I would likely have written that they were descended from "Iberian" fishermen, rather than Spanish. There are Basques in Spain who have a different genetic fingerprint from what we consider "Spaniards." Besides, "Iberian" implies the entire penninsula. "Spain" and "Spanish" implies language, culture, ethnicity, and rule. But that's just me. |
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Old-fashioned Catholic User ID: 135493 United States 09/20/2006 03:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sykes' research is, as far as I know, totally worthless because he only looks at less than 15 'markers', which is not nearly enough to distinguish the various subpopulations ('stocks' of humans) within the large R1b haim_a_gay_spammerroup that spans most of western Europe. It is common knowledge that for the R1b haim_a_gay_spammerroup, at least 37 and preferably 67 markers are required to reliably distinguish between subpopulations (a.k.a. clusters): [link to www.ftdna.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 137674 United States 09/20/2006 05:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is interesting. In doing DNA research in part of my family who come from Galicia in Northern Spain, we found their genetic markers were identical to Irish, Scottish and Welsh/Briton markers. Alot of people do not realize that the Galicians wear tartans, have bagpipes, and have their own dialect along with spanish. My relatives on that side of the family have always understood that the Irish were descended from us. So, I guess science is just now backing that up. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 380 United States 09/20/2006 05:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If I was the author of that article, I guess I would likely have written that they were descended from "Iberian" fishermen, rather than Spanish. There are Basques in Spain who have a different genetic fingerprint from what we consider "Spaniards." Besides, "Iberian" implies the entire penninsula. "Spain" and "Spanish" implies language, culture, ethnicity, and rule. Quoting: Redheaded Stepchild nli 142074But that's just me. Yes, and other studies have confirmed DNA similarities between the Irish and the Basques, who are not the same as Spaniards. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 380 United States 09/20/2006 05:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sykes' research is, as far as I know, totally worthless because he only looks at less than 15 'markers', which is not nearly enough to distinguish the various subpopulations ('stocks' of humans) within the large R1b haim_a_gay_spammerroup that spans most of western Europe. Quoting: Old-fashioned CatholicIt is common knowledge that for the R1b haim_a_gay_spammerroup, at least 37 and preferably 67 markers are required to reliably distinguish between subpopulations (a.k.a. clusters): [link to www.ftdna.com] Yes, and it also conflicts with research that has been done properly. |
Ningishiddza User ID: 124957 United States 09/20/2006 06:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is interesting. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 137674In doing DNA research in part of my family who come from Galicia in Northern Spain, we found their genetic markers were identical to Irish, Scottish and Welsh/Briton markers. Alot of people do not realize that the Galicians wear tartans, have bagpipes, and have their own dialect along with spanish. My relatives on that side of the family have always understood that the Irish were descended from us. So, I guess science is just now backing that up. I already posted something on that. You'll find the same DNA markes in Poland in the region called "Galicia" and the same markers in Anatolia where the Galations lived (aka Galli, Gauls). They are the same people and the migrated around quite a bit. The Gallicians were one of the 3 groups that simultaneously attacked and hammered the Hittite civilization into obscurity. Americanii-s de vina futu-i in gura sa-i fut |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 145863 United Kingdom 09/20/2006 06:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Propaganda. File that one under the same British studies that "proved" short people are dumb and men are smarter than women. Still waiting on the study that "proves" English Males are superior to all other living species on the planet. Quoting: Dallas 92632You need a study to tell you that? |
GREY LENSMAN User ID: 144519 Malaysia 09/21/2006 09:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I WAS REFERRING TO THE REFERENCED NEW BOOK BY SYKES. HISTORY TELLS US THE WHY AND HOW OF OUR NOW AND PROVIDES CONTEXT. HAVE YOU NOTICED THE GUY OBSESSED WITH THE IDEA THAT EUROPEANS, GREEKS, ROMANS ETC WERE BLACK. CLEARLY HE HAS A PROBLEM. ALL OF US WERE ONCE BLACK, WHITE, CHINESE, INDIAN, ETC, ALL DESCENDED FROM A COMMON AFRICAN EVE AND ADAM. SYKES WORK CONFIRMS MANY EXCITING NEW VIEWS OF EUROPE AND IN PARTICULAR PROTOCELTIC AND CELTIC CULTURE AND ITS WIDESPREAD NATURE. TAKE STONEHENGE, IT WAS NOT BUILT BY A TRIBE OF ANIMAL SKINNED BARBARIANS BUT BY A VERY CULTURED AND LEARNED PEOPLE WITH A EUROPEAN WIDE CIVILISATION. THINK ABOUT THAT. TODAY YOU DONT JUST HAVE NASA LAUNCHING SHUTTLES BUT A CONTINENTAL WIDE INFRASTRUCTURE SUPPORTING IT IN SO MANY WAYS. GL |
Common Sense User ID: 1595 Netherlands 09/22/2006 01:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I WAS REFERRING TO THE REFERENCED NEW BOOK BY SYKES. Quoting: GREY LENSMAN 144519HISTORY TELLS US THE WHY AND HOW OF OUR NOW AND PROVIDES CONTEXT. HAVE YOU NOTICED THE GUY OBSESSED WITH THE IDEA THAT EUROPEANS, GREEKS, ROMANS ETC WERE BLACK. CLEARLY HE HAS A PROBLEM. ALL OF US WERE ONCE BLACK, WHITE, CHINESE, INDIAN, ETC, ALL DESCENDED FROM A COMMON AFRICAN EVE AND ADAM. SYKES WORK CONFIRMS MANY EXCITING NEW VIEWS OF EUROPE AND IN PARTICULAR PROTOCELTIC AND CELTIC CULTURE AND ITS WIDESPREAD NATURE. TAKE STONEHENGE, IT WAS NOT BUILT BY A TRIBE OF ANIMAL SKINNED BARBARIANS BUT BY A VERY CULTURED AND LEARNED PEOPLE WITH A EUROPEAN WIDE CIVILISATION. THINK ABOUT THAT. TODAY YOU DONT JUST HAVE NASA LAUNCHING SHUTTLES BUT A CONTINENTAL WIDE INFRASTRUCTURE SUPPORTING IT IN SO MANY WAYS. GL Grey Lensman,can you still remember the title of the book by Sykes on the Celts? Thanks. |
GREY LENSMAN User ID: 144519 Malaysia 09/22/2006 01:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | QUOTE FROM THE OP "These DNA "fingerprints" have enabled Professor Sykes to create the first genetic maps of the British Isles, which are analysed in Blood of the Isles, a book published this week." mUST ADMIT, REREADING ITS NOT CLEAR IF THIS IS SYKES NEW BOOK OR ITS A BOOK THAT USES HIS NEW GENETIC ,APS RE THE NIT PICKERS, YOU DONT NEED 60 ODD PLUS MARKERS TO PICK OUT SUBGROUPS. YOU NEED A LOT OF RAW DATA AND THEN USE THE HUMAN SPECIALITY OF CONTEXT. SAME WAY YOU SORT STUFF QUICKLY, YOU LOOK FOR THE ODD ONE OUT, NOT 60 ODD. SYKES FINDINF REALLY DO ILLUSTRATE EUROPEAN EOVOLTION AND SPOT LIGHT THAT ONE GROUP CAME AND I REPEAT CAME FROM THE WEST. HIS FINDINGS ALSO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT AGRICULTURE WAS DEVELOPED LOCALLY AND NOT IMPORTED ALONG WITH MANY OTHER THINGS. THE RECENT DISCOVERY OF THE STONEHENGE ARCHER IS MASSIVE EVIDENC THAT HE IS CORRECT. GL |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80475 United States 09/22/2006 01:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Listen to someone speaking Gaelic on streaming internet radio. Sounds Teutonic in origin. [link to www.ibiblio.org] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 15610 United States 09/22/2006 02:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is of particular interest to me. My father was full blooded Basque and my mother is one half Basque and one half Gallega. (from Galicia) I'm trying to assemble a comprehensive family history which is proving to be difficult, perhaps this will help shed some light. Thanks OP! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 86930 United States 09/22/2006 02:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | First off to the Afro-centric spewing asshole who said E3b (Eshu) was native to Europe. They were the slaves of the Phoenicians and Romans. Blacks can't handle cold climates. Their bodies are made for sub-Sahara Africa. They retain water different and are all around disgusting. The main Phoenician DNA is found in parts of Wales, Scotland, England and Ireland. but it is not E3b or even African. It is Caucasian and originates in what is today Russia. From this Caucasian DNA we get the current population of Europe. The most numerous being R1B1 and generally speaking the R group is by fay the largest European group out there. Over half of Spain is R1b1 and in some parts of Ireland it reaches 98%. African DNA falls into 4 main categories. A, B, C, and E. Almost all Asians and Europeans descend from a group called K even though they have different letters representing them now. This includes R and Q which are numerous. The curse of Adam was Professor Sykes first book on Y chromosome DNA and he also wrote another book called the Seven Daughters of Eve about Mitochondrial DNA. www.oxfordancestors.com is their web address. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 80475 United States 09/22/2006 04:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some claim that we all descended from apes but then, why are there still apes? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12231Whales are descended from four-legged creatures. If you examine whale skeletons you'll see the remnants of their hind legs. The evolution of whales from four-legged animals didn't cancel out the existence of all other four-legged creatures. |
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