Paramedics say Weapons Inspector Dr Kelly DIDN´T kill himself!

With Kelly´s body lying in the woods and Blair facing political meltdown, the government announced the Hutton inquiry to investigate the circumstances surrounding the death. Its report said Kelly had died by ´bleeding from incised wounds to his left wrist´. No shadow of a doubt.

Now the paramedics, two of the first people to see Kelly, want to question that judgment. In their first interviews about the death, they are not trying to spin conspiracy theories. They offer no alternative explanation for Kelly´s death. They have decided to speak out so that information which they believe Hutton failed to emphasise is put into the public domain.

They have no answers to the questions they have been asking themselves over the past 12 months, but they seem certain of one thing: Kelly could not have died from the wound they saw on his left wrist in the woods that Friday morning.

It was 9.40am when the emergency call came in. Bartlett and Hunt had just started their morning shift and were having coffee in the crew room of Abingdon ambulance station in Oxfordshire when they were told of an incident involving a male at Harrowdown Hill.

´On the way, we thought it might have been somebody who committed suicide in their car. That is quite common in the mornings,´ said Bartlett. ´Or somebody out walking the dog who had collapsed,´ said Hunt.

When they arrived at the woods 15 minutes later it was immediately clear that this was not a run-of-the-mill incident. ´There were a lot of police around,´ said Hunt. ´Some were in civilian clothes and others in black jackets and army fatigues. I thought it might have been a firearms incident as there were the guys from the special armed response units.´

The paramedics parked their ambulance. Carrying their resuscitation equipment, they followed two armed-response police for about a mile until they reached a wooded area. In a clearing, they first saw Kelly´s body.

´He was about 20 metres away lying flat down with his feet towards us,´ said Hunt. Bartlett´s first thought was that the ´poor chap had hung himself and fallen from the tree´.

As they approached the body, Hunt went to the right of Kelly and Bartlett to the left. Hunt checked for a pulse and Bartlett shone a light into his eyes to see if there was any pupil reaction. They then put four electrodes on his chest to detect any heart activity, but there was none. Kelly was pronounced dead at 10.07am.

Both saw that the left sleeves of his jacket and shirt had been pulled up to just below the elbow and there was dried blood around his left wrist.

´There was no gaping wound... there wasn´t a puddle of blood around,´ said Hunt. ´There was a little bit of blood on the nettles to the left of his left arm. But there was no real blood on the body of the shirt. The only other bit of blood I saw was on his clothing. It was the size of a 50p piece above the right knee on his trousers.´

Hunt found this very strange. ´If you manage to cut a wrist and catch an artery you would get a spraying of blood, regardless of whether it´s an accident... Because of the nature of an arterial cut, you get a pumping action. I would certainly expect a lot more blood on his clothing, on his shirt. If you choose to cut your wrists, you don´t worry about getting blood on your clothes.

´I didn´t see any blood on his right hand... If he used his right hand to cut his wrist, from an arterial wound you would expect some spray.´

Bartlett agreed: ´I remember saying to one of the policemen it didn´t look like he died from that [the wrist wound] and suggesting he must have taken an overdose or something else.´

Bartlett recalls being called to one attempted suicide where the blood had spurted so high it hit the ceiling. ´Even in this incident, the victim survived. It was like The Texas Chainsaw Massacre and the guy walked out alive. We have been to a vast amount of incidents where people who have slashed their wrists, intentionally or not. Most of them are taken down the hospital and given a few stitches then sent straight back home. But there is a lot of blood. It´s all over them.´

The surprise of the paramedics that there was not much blood is supported by a number of medical experts. A letter was written to the papers earlier this year questioning his death.

In particular, one group of doctors has pointed to the fact that the pathology report into Kelly´s death revealed that the only artery completely severed was in his left wrist, called the ulnar artery. This is not the normal main radial artery that is used to take a pulse, but a small artery below the little finger which is hard to locate and lies deep within the wrist.

Martin Birnstingl was until recently president of the Vascular Surgical Society of Great Britain. He is a former consultant at St Bartholomew´s Hospital in London and one of the country´s most respected vascular surgeons.

Birnstingl said he believed it was ´extremely unlikely´ for Kelly to have died by simply severing the ulnar artery. He explained that arteries have muscles around them that will constrict when severed, to prevent life-threatening loss of blood. ´It would spray blood around and make a mess. But after the blood pressure started to fall, the artery would contract and stop bleeding,´ he said.

This is a view echoed by Dr Bill McQuillan, a former consultant at Edinburgh´s Royal Infirmary who for 20 years has dealt with hundreds of wrist accidents. ´I have never seen one death of somebody from cutting an ulnar artery,´ he said. He also pointed out that a warm bath might allow more bleeding, but in the open air the artery would simply close down. ´I can´t see how he would lose more than a pint of blood.´

Despite these doubts, other forensic experts remain ´satisfied´ with Hutton´s verdict, including Professor Robert Forrest and Professor Chris Milroy. They claim to have seen suicides where a single slit artery led to death.

Hutton´s findings were based on evidence given to the inquiry that there was more blood around Kelly´s body, including a stain two to three feet in length running across the undergrowth.

But the paramedics are insistent. ´I am sure I would not have missed that amount of blood,´ said Hunt.

Then there was the issue of an overdose. If Kelly had not died by slitting his wrists, perhaps he had taken tablets to hasten his death. Hutton did reveal Kelly had swallowed several painkillers, believed to have been taken from his wife´s medicine cabinet. The pathologist found three blister packets of the painkiller coproxamol in Kelly´s left-hand jacket pocket.

Each of these packets would have contained 10 tablets, but there was only one left, leading to the conclusion that Kelly may have swallowed 29 pills. Could this have been enough to kill him? No. Copraxamol is typically prescribed for mild back pain and consists of two compounds: paracetamol and an opiate-type drug, dextropropoxyphene. Both can be lethal if consumed in sufficient amounts, but a detailed toxicology report on Kelly´s blood revealed the presence of only one-third of the dose that normally causes death.

Dr Alexander Allan, the forensic toxicologist who examined Kelly´s blood and urine, told the Hutton inquiry that although the levels he found were more than therapeutic, they were significantly lower than doses that would lead to death.

Bartlett and Hunt are also concerned about another issue. The Hutton report said Kelly´s body was found with his head and shoulders ´slumped against a tree´. The judge said he had seen a photograph showing his body in that position. One of the first people to find Kelly, Louise Holmes, agreed that he was resting against a tree. But by the time Bartlett and Hunt arrived, Kelly was lying flat, some feet from the tree. Had someone moved him? Had his body been searched? Why the discrepancy? None of the police officers at the scene said they had touched the body.

What next? A full independent inquest might have offered answers to some of the issues raised by the paramedics. The Hutton inquiry prevented a full inquest from taking place and, although witnesses were summoned, they were not cross-examined under oath.

The Oxfordshire coroner, Nicholas Gardiner, decided there was no public interest in reopening the inquest. After all, there had been no evidence from the police or any individual that a third party had been involved in Kelly´s death. More important, his family had accepted Hutton´s verdict and had no desire to reopen the case.

Yet for Michael Powers QC, a barrister and former doctor who is one of Britain´s leading experts in coroner law, the lack of a public inquest is unsatisfactory.

´For an inquest to conclude that suicide is the cause of death, it has to be proved beyond reasonable doubt,´ he said. ´In this case, there are a lot of gaps. The evidence of the paramedics, who are professionals, is significant. There appears to be no accurate measure of how much blood Kelly lost and a very real question, backed up by witnesses, that it was insufficent to lead to his death.

´The toxicological evidence is very poor. There are questions over where the pills came from and how many he took.´

Like the paramedics, Powers is unwilling to suggest that Kelly might have died in mysterious circumstances. But on the evidence he has studied, he believes any inquest would be forced to conclude an open verdict.

An individual who was very close to Kelly also has serious doubts about Hutton´s verdict. The person does not want to be named, but told The Observer that even if you accepted that Kelly´s mental state was desperate enough for him to take his own life, it is inconceivable he would have chosen such an uncertain method.

´He was a scientist, a highly intelligent man. If he had chosen to kill himself, he would have opted for something certain, like hanging himself or throwing himself under a train. He would not have risked surviving. I can´t believe he would have chosen to cut one small artery and take some pills. The outcome would be too uncertain.´

The big question is: if Kelly did not kill himself, then what happened? No one wants to give an answer to that, though many are aware of the rumour mill and conspiracy theorists who say that the death was suspicious.

Bartlett says there is one way to put such rumours to rest: ´If they showed me photos showing a lot of blood and said he had massive amounts of drugs or another substance in his body and that killed him, I would accept it. But until then there has to be some doubt.´

Bartlett and Hunt know that by making their concerns public they will have increased those doubts. All they want is to get to the truth and a final verdict on the death of a government scientist who threatened the future of the Prime Minister, so that everyone can be satisfied.

· Dave Bartlett and Vanessa Hunt sought permission from their employer, Oxfordshire Ambulance Trust, before agreeing to be interviewed. They spoke as individuals and not as representatives of the trust.

Tragedy of the weapons inspector: steps that led to death in the woods

2002

April-June: David Kelly, a Ministry of Defence scientist, is consulted over the dossier on Iraq´s weapons of mass destruction.

24 September: The dossier is published, including the statement that Iraq can deploy WMD within 45 minutes. Tony Blair describes the threat as ´serious and current´.

2003

29 May In a report on Radio 4´s Today programme, Andrew Gilligan quotes ´a source´ who believes Downing Street wanted the September dossier ´sexed up´.

30 June: Kelly writes to his manager, Bryan Wells, admitting he met Gilligan on 22 May.

4 July: MoD drafts a statement referring to Kelly as ´an unnamed official´.

9 July: Geoff Hoon, the Defence Secretary, writes to Gavyn Davies, then BBC chairman, asking him to confirm whether Kelly is the source. The BBC refuses. MoD confirms to journalists that Kelly is the official involved.

17 July: At 3pm, Kelly leaves home, telling his wife he is going for a walk. When he fails to return home by 11.45pm, his family contacts the police. He is found dead in the woods near his home the following morning.

20 July The BBC issues a statement after talking to Kelly´s family, naming him as the source of Gilligan´s report.

21 July: Lord Hutton is appointed head of an independent inquiry into the events surrounding Kelly´s death.

2004

28 January

Hutton report published. The government is exonerated and the BBC heavily criticised.

Research: Will Lee

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Thames valley police will not re-open the investigation ...

AC

I wonder what the alleged "vested interest" there is for the paramedics "story"> Are they getting paid BIG money for the interview?

Will not or cannot?

pretty obvious he was murdered...

nightlight

We´ll see more "suicides" as the plan reaches full steam.

There is evidence that this was a ritual murder perhaps a warning to those who know of these things (masonic etc) to keep quiet.

Ellis Taylor has done a long article into the occult aspects of this case- but of course so incredible as to be scoffed at by the brainwashed sheep.

[link to ellisctaylor.homestead.com]

Our knowledge is that he was murdered and not in the same place. post mortem Kelly told us that there was a group of people around him- some sort of ritual and at least 4 black guys ( we know that there is a satanic group USA/UK working in UK from the victims we have rescued), Some weapon was used eg probably EMF -you can see that info on Tom Beardens site.
the site where the body was finally found would have been forensically ´clean´ because the ´dark actors´ know what they are doing.
Black guys were reported as having been seen in that area by a policemen but that info seems to have ´disappeared´
There is some really bad satanic ritual stuff going on at present so please thoughts /prayers
note 21st Dec
for "from darkness to LIGHT"
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THESE FUCKING PARAMEDICS ARE GUILTY OF TREASON.

They ´didn´t wanna feed conspiracy theories´.
That is their lame excuse. They KNEW something was wrong, but chose to silence themselves. And now they speak up? Fait accompli? Fuck off.

They knew that the gov´t wasn´t telling the truth. They have to live with this.
And the audacity to say ´if it was my family...´
UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE.

They could have helped at least slow down the train, WITH KNOWLEDGE WHICH WOULD HAVE CAUSED BLAIR TO FALL!

These people are murderers and they call themselves paramedics?
They took an oath, remember?
Fucking hypocrites.

And now they wanna sell their story, figures.

Satan applauds them.

What will Kelly´s wife say????



Prosecute!

it have read it was all an occultic ritual murder, one who knows how they do it said that the way Kerry was killed its obvious that he was assasinated by an occult group

Hypocritical Oath was it?

Look to Kevin T (DoD) for answers

Ah but we knew that already right from the beginning.

No matter how big the lie, the truth will always have its final say....in time.
Time is speeding up, guess a lot of truths are finding its way out...

Bump for the truth for Dr. Kelly and his family. This sorry mess is a shameful indicement on Blair and his "New Labour" cronies. I hope that his family find the strength to pursue this new line of evidence.

"What will Kelly´s wife say????"
AC 6.22
reviewing what has been said in the following article about Dr Kelly´s pension rights etc. may be the shadow of not getting any widows pension was held over Mrs Kelly´s head to silence her.
At present the pension rights of people who have worked and contributed all their life are under threat and the government is targetting civil servants at present.
Except for the judges who get their high pension tax free!!

[link to fromthewilderness.com]

"When Kelly´s daughter Rachel testified at the inquiry, she proved through her father´s diaries that the only time he had been in Geneva, and the only time he ever met Broucher, was a year earlier in February of 2002. There was not even a draft of the "dossier" in existence at that time suggesting that Broucher´s story was fiction.

Actually, the opposite of the Mangold thesis appears to be the truth. Kelly was treated badly by MoD over the last three years of his life. He had not had a salary increase in three years as he approached retirement where his pension would be a function of salary. At one time he was told there would be reorganization within the intelligence operation and he would get a sizeable increase in salary. That didn´t happen. Kelly had written several letters about his position and, according to his widow, was quite upset and frustrated about it (not despondent and suicidal).

Kelly had voluntarily disclosed to MoD his contacts with the media. To his dying day, he maintained that he had not provided all the information Gilligan attributed to him. Nevertheless, Kelly was hauled before the Joint Intelligence Committee for a grilling. "
- re Mangold thesis- with friends like this who needs enemies.
To be sure the dirty tricks dept. will be hard at it now.
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Anonymous Coward
12/13/2004
6:02 am EST

What a dimwitted twat, the truth is often hard to tell, but it must be told.

Obviously a Labour party cock sucker....

....the party of sleaze.

whatever makes you happy, fucktard.


my point was, why a year later?
They knew a year long how the world reacted to this with outrage. They chose not to do anything.
Think of all the things they might have helped put a stop to?THEN, not now.
And NOW, they want to be the centre of attention, I smell a bookdeal coming up, or better a tabloid deal.
An Oprah appereance, even better!

they have to look in the mirror, not me.

i´m not english, thank god.

Yes, thank God you are not English, 602. Like so many American-made missiles, you have missed the point by many, many miles.

Personally I would probably wait for things to quieten down before I started speaking my mind on a highly controversial subject like this.

Remember: a well-known whistelblower has in all likelihood been murdered. A sham inquiry barely manages to turn the wheels of justice. A further Coroner´s inquiry changes nothing.

It might well have crossed the paramedics minds that they might be targeted if they spoke publicly.

Of course, it is far far easier for 602 to conjure up some sinister profit motives on the part of the paramedics that to address what they have actually said.

Truth will out.

Respectful bump for Dr. Kelly and his wife

bump for truth.

Who´s to say they didn´t speak out at the time? The media wouldn´t have reported it! So why are they reporting it now? Maybe Blair has served his purpose, there´s an election coming up, Howard has agreed we need id cards. He´s doing what ´they´ want. Maybe it´s time for a change, only we all know that the only thing that will change is the name of the party.

It doesn´t matter if you´re American, British, German, French etc, etc, we are all subject to the agenda of the globalists elite.

I have to agree with 11:17 - different Party, same policicies. Time to vote for smaller Parties with proportional representation - but this is too democratic for the UK!

I have said he was murdered from day 1.

Much of this was suggested not long after he was murdered, only question is WHY is this stuff coming out NOW?

The Israeli's are warning the UK and USA governments to keep quite while they commit genocide on a scale not seen since Iraq was attacked....