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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 694831 United States 06/04/2009 05:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, it's true, CA only gets back 75 cents for each dollar in taxes it sends the Feds. However, I think it would have trouble anyway, even with all those extra quarters. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 695088I'd be very surprised if it got that much. Plus, your including non-productive federal outlays to defense contractors. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 694831 United States 06/04/2009 06:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OK OP ask yourself if you do away from the fed gov could you support yourselves? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 695091From here it doesn't appear so! Now Montana and Texas are a different story. Absolutely! California has: The most productive agricultural land on earth. The most advanced technology industry on earth. The best developed venture capital system on earth. Many of the finest universities on earth. And if it seceded, it'd have an extra $100 billion or so a year to play with. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 695091 France 06/04/2009 06:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, it's true, CA only gets back 75 cents for each dollar in taxes it sends the Feds. However, I think it would have trouble anyway, even with all those extra quarters. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 694831I'd be very surprised if it got that much. Plus, your including non-productive federal outlays to defense contractors. Those defense a lot of state taxes I know I work in that field. |
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Olibow User ID: 688442 United States 06/04/2009 06:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why don't we ever hear about California seceding from the U.S. (Federal Government)? All we ever hear is, will Obama, through his grace and compassion, approve a bailout for California. Quoting: calian 694831That is, will the Feds be kind enough to loan or grant California some fraction of the $100 or billion a year Californians render as tribute to the IRS each year. What do the people of California get in return for their billions in federal taxes (plus the trillions borrowed by the feds in their name)? If it seceded, California would instantly solve it's budget problems. The question would then be, how to solve it's massive budget surpluses? It would instantly become one of the most prosperous nations on Earth! Does Cali need the Fed? Or the other way around? Should California secede???? Yes, and institute a reign of terror that kills off all criminals from the pettiest to the worst. And then becomes self sufficient drilling oil off the coast. ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~ From ED TV (1999) I feel that Ed (TV) is the apotheosis of a prevailing American syndrome. It used to be that someone became famous because they were special. Now people are considered special just for being famous. Fame, itself, is now a moral good in this country. It's its own virtue. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 695091 France 06/04/2009 06:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OK OP ask yourself if you do away from the fed gov could you support yourselves? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 694831From here it doesn't appear so! Now Montana and Texas are a different story. Absolutely! California has: The most productive agricultural land on earth. The most advanced technology industry on earth. The best developed venture capital system on earth. Many of the finest universities on earth. And if it seceded, it'd have an extra $100 billion or so a year to play with. I disagree with almost everything you said and if were true cali wouldn't be in the hole right now. You can't truly believe it's federal taxes bankrupting cali? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 694625 United States 06/04/2009 06:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why don't we ever hear about California seceding from the U.S. (Federal Government)? All we ever hear is, will Obama, through his grace and compassion, approve a bailout for California. Quoting: calian 694831That is, will the Feds be kind enough to loan or grant California some fraction of the $100 or billion a year Californians render as tribute to the IRS each year. What do the people of California get in return for their billions in federal taxes (plus the trillions borrowed by the feds in their name)? If it seceded, California would instantly solve it's budget problems. The question would then be, how to solve it's massive budget surpluses? It would instantly become one of the most prosperous nations on Earth! Does Cali need the Fed? Or the other way around? Should California secede???? Are you fucking nuts? California HAS MORE PROBLEMS THAN ANY OTHER 2 STATES! California HAD some of your list, but no longer. You've also also got LIBTARDS, so now you HAVE NOTHING!! |
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Joqui User ID: 506233 United States 06/04/2009 06:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Secede?...Yeah right!...Thanks to a bunch of fiscally incompetent nitwits in Sac-o-taters, Kalifornia is FUBAR!...perhaps the U.S. should consider showing them the door. Last Edited by Joqui on 06/04/2009 06:52 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 623547 United States 06/04/2009 07:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Secede?...Yeah right!...Thanks to a bunch of fiscally incompetent nitwits in Sac-o-taters, Kalifornia is FUBAR!...perhaps the U.S. should consider showing them the door. Quoting: JoquiI agree...looks like the rest of us are going to end up paying for fucked up Cali with higher taxes. |
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Bob User ID: 673258 United States 06/04/2009 08:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hmmm... Pros: Interesting question. On one hand, everyone in California wouldn't have to pay federal taxes, they get back less in federal funds then other states, and they are the 8th largest economy in the world WITHOUT the rest fo the us. Cons: California is sitting on several natural disasters waiting to happen and if the 'Big One' happens, they will BEG the Federal goverment to bail them out. They have a woefully underdeveloped eletrical grid. The federal goverment would undoubtedly remove all federal equipment and resources from the state. California has no effective military and would fall easy prey to anyone with any sort of desire to crush them. They are completely dependant on cars and have no oil resources and are completely dependant on the refineries in the rest of the US. In the end, everyone would hurt and nobody would come out ahead. If you see something, say nothing, and drink to forget. Welcome to Night Vale. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 625292 United States 06/04/2009 08:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why don't we ever hear about California seceding from the U.S. (Federal Government)? All we ever hear is, will Obama, through his grace and compassion, approve a bailout for California. Quoting: calian 694831That is, will the Feds be kind enough to loan or grant California some fraction of the $100 or billion a year Californians render as tribute to the IRS each year. What do the people of California get in return for their billions in federal taxes (plus the trillions borrowed by the feds in their name)? If it seceded, California would instantly solve it's budget problems. The question would then be, how to solve it's massive budget surpluses? It would instantly become one of the most prosperous nations on Earth! Does Cali need the Fed? Or the other way around? Should California secede???? I've got a better question. Can the rest of us kick California out for all the sick twisted liberal crap laws and regulations that originate there? Look, I know some nice people in Cali so, I'm not hating on all Californians, but the federal government is not California's problem. California is California's problem. Your overly oppressive regulations and taxes coupled with world leading prolific spending on all maner of socialist programs, completely uncheck illegal immigration, and flat out insane housing costs have bankrupt the state. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 653234 United States 06/04/2009 08:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is silly for any state to secede because the generations of grandchildren who come in the future will simply unite the US again. Sea to shining sea baby. Even 500 years from now, that desire will exist. Trade itself and free travel demands no fences or borders across this land. Again: It is trade and conservative love of nature which will allow free travel across America and I think this will remain a desire in the hearts of Americans for centuries. Sorry Kissinger and Co. --It ain't happening! |