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Subject Would like to understand fellow members fears of Socialism.

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>>First, YOU are the one making the comparison between socialism(a form of governing) and capitalism(an economic system) in your original post and subsequently throughout the entire thread.

Sorry but considering that yes socialism is a form of governing, the whole premise behind socialism is economic organization. And there fore I think it can be compared to capitalism at least on economic benefits to people.

>>Socialism is more than an economic system as evidenced by as simple a thing as the speech codes it causes...  and much more. Capitalism is purely an economic system.

You. Are. Wrong.

You. are. crazy.

So my opinion is wrong, and I guess no ones ever compared the economic benefits of capitalism and socialism.
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Sorry OP, but yes Sinanju2 may be crazy, I don't know and you also don't know, but he is actually 100% right.

[b]In Europe we have a capitalistic, socialistic society and that is what I described in my other post above here.
Works well, at least not worse than in the USA where you have a capitalistic egoistic society.[/b]
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Original Message So hopefully we will get some good dialogue on this. Please do bring your game faces.

First I would like to try and lay some ground rules.

1.) I don't want to turn this thread into an Anti-Obama, Anti-Health care thread. If you don't like him, fine with me, but lets keep the topic on Socialism over all.

2.) If possible and if you argue your point well I would like to hear what alternatives you might have. It's evident to me that today's version of western style capitalism is extremely flawed, and really isn't working.

3.) This isn't a Communist or Nazi recruitment thread either. I would simply like to discuss this topic. Please check your political dogma at the door. Hopefully we can discuss these topics with out being labeled and categorized as subversives.

So first a primer on the type of socialism I would like to discuss:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"Socialism is a political philosophy that encompasses various theories of economic organization based on either public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production and allocation of resources. A more comprehensive definition of socialism is an economic system that directly maximizes use-values as opposed to exchange-values and has transcended commodity production and wage labor, along with a corresponding set of social and economic relations, including the organization of economic institutions, the method of resource allocation and post-monetary calculation based on some physical magnitude; often implying a method of compensation based on individual merit, the amount of labor expended or individual contribution."

So why all the fuss, or should we continue let large corporations and a very few select individuals hoard all the wealth?

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