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[b][color=red]I didn't say Jesus sinned, neither does the scriptures...

But he seemed to love wine, and drank a large enough quantity that the people around him made accusations against him... Isn't this what the scriptures say...

Possibly your church thinks its a sin to drink or get drunk, like the scriptures say, “Be ye angry, and sin not…” (Ephesians 4:26)[/color][/b]

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[quote:Anonymous Coward 1210277:MV8xNjkxMzY2XzI3OTU4MjExXzE3N0UyREQz]
OP what do you think?

I am against no one, but I want to share from my heart, lest some misunderstand me, I am not a theologian, I am just a regular guy, who is unlearned, and who is asking questions about my own Christianity, and the Christianity of others.

Jesus was called a drunkard, and a sinner. Jesus makes an interesting comment about "not coming out of there until you pay the last pence, which seems to indicate a temporary punishment.

Paul seems to indicate he had a personal sin in his life, unless you believe it was poor eyesight, but how would that keep you humble? I mean I believe Paul had a moral failure. It was NOT bad eye site, that humbled him...How could it, but if he failed morally somehow, this would explain Romans 6-8.

Imagine... 
God says to you, "I need you humble", "I'm going to give you bad eye sight". Or "I'm going to brake your arm." YOU Protest: "God, How will a broken arm keep me humble?" BUT IF YOU FAIL, YOU SIN...And your heart cries to God for relief, and God says "My grace is sufficient for you"...Do you not then find yourself going through Romans 6-8 in your own personal life?
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Jesus was no drunk because he was sinless. Jesus said he came to save the world and that he did. When the Bible mentions his turning wine into water it was unfermented because that was the opposite of what Christ taught as you will see in scripture.

1 Corinthians 6:10
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Galatians 5:21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 5:11 ESV / 15 helpful votes

But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one.

Proverbs 23:21 ESV / 12 helpful votes

For the drunkard and the glutton will come to poverty, and slumber will clothe them with rags.

Ephesians 5:18-20 ESV / 10 helpful votes

And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit, addressing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody to the Lord with your heart, giving thanks always and for everything to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ,

Ephesians 5:18 ESV / 7 helpful votes

And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit

Over and over we are told if Jesus came to save the world then we must be aware that alcohol is against God. Remember he made gallons of wine and if we know the Jesus of the Bible who quoted scripture then we know it was non-alcoholic.
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Original Message Why cloak Bible prophecies in Symbols?
Luke 8 :10 And He said, "To you it has been given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, but to the rest it is given in parables, that 'Seeing they may not see, And hearing they may not understand.'

Many of the apocalyptic prophecies were given while the prophets were in a hostile foreign land. One reason God cloaked the prophecies in symbols was to protect the messages.

Animals and their Parts

Horse = Strength and Power in Battle Job 39:19, Psalms 147:10, Proverbs 21:31
Dragon = Satan or his agency Isaiah 27:1;30:6, Psalm 74:13-14; Rev. 12:7-9; Ezekiel 29:3; Jeremiah 51:34
Beast = Kingdom/government/political power Daniel 7:17, 23
Lamb = Jesus/sacrifice John 1:29; 1 Corinthians 5:7
Lion = Jesus/Powerful King i.e. Babylon Rev. 5:4-9, Jer. 50:43-44, Dan. 7:4,17,23
Bear = Destructive Power / Medo Persia Proverbs 28:15, 2 Kings 2:23-24, Daniel 7:5
Leopard = Greece Daniel 7:6
Serpent = Satan Revelation 12:9; 20:2
Tongue = Language / Speech Exodus 4:10
Wolf = Disguised Enemies that hunt in a time of darkness Matthew 7:15
Dove = Holy Spirit Mark 1:10
Ram = Medo Persia Daniel 8:20
Goat = Greece Daniel 8:21
Horn = King or kingdom Daniel 7:24; 8:5, 21, 22; Zechariah 1:18, 19; Revelation 17:12
Wings = Speed / Protection / Deliverance Deuteronomy 28:49, Matthew 23:37

Colors

White = Purity Revelation 3:4,5; 7:14; 19:14
Blue = Law Numbers 15:38-39
Purple = Royalty Mark 15:17, Judges 8:26
Red/Scarlet = Sin/corruption Isaiah 1:18; Nahum 2:3; Revelation 17:1-4

Metals, Elements, and Natural Objects

Gold = Pure Character Precious and Rare Isaiah 13:12
Silver = Pure Words & Understanding Proverbs 2:4, 3:13-14, 10:20, 25:11, Psalms 12:6
Brass, Tin, Iron, Lead, Silver dross = Impure Character Ezekiel 22:20-21
Water = Holy Spirit / Everlasting Life John 7:39, 4:14, Rev. 22:17, Eph. 5:26
Waters = Inhabited area/people, nations Revelation 17:15
Fire = Holy Spirit Luke 3:16
Tree = Cross; People / Nation Deut. 21:22-23, Psalm 92:12, 37:35
Seed = Descendents / Jesus Romans 9:8, Galatians 3:16
Fruit = Works / Actions Galatians 5:22
Fig Tree = A Nation that should bear fruit Luke 13:6-9
Vineyard = Church that should bear fruit Luke 20:9-16
Field = World Matthew 13:38, John 4:35
Harvest = End of World Matthew 13:39
Reapers = Angels Matthew 13:39
Thorns / Thorny Ground = Cares of this life Mark 4:18-19
Stars = Angels/messengers = Revelation 1:16, 20; 12:4, 7-9; Job 38:7
Jordan = death Romans 6:4, Deuteronomy 4:22
Mountains = Political or religio-political powers Isaiah 2:2, 3; Jeremiah 17:3; 31:23; 51:24, 25; Ezekiel 17:22, 23; Daniel 2:35, 44, 45
Rock = Jesus/truth 1 Corinthians 10:4; Isaiah 8:13, 14; Romans 9:33; Matthew 7:24
Sun = Jesus/the gospel Psalm 84:11; Malachi 4:2; Matthew 17:2; John 8:12; 9:5
Winds = Strife/commotion/"winds of war"Jeremiah 25:31-33; 49:36, 37; 4:11-13; Zechariah 7:14

Miscellaneous Objects

Lamp = Word of God Psalm 119:105
Oil = Holy Spirit Zechariah 4:2-6; Revelation 4:5
Sword = Word of God Ephesians 6:17; Hebrews 4:12
Bread = Word of God John 6:35, 51, 52, 63
Wine = blood/covenant/doctrines Luke 5:37
Honey = happy life Ezekiel 20:6, Deuteronomy 8:8-9
Clothing = Character Isaiah 64:6, Isaiah 59:6
Crown = A Glorious Ruler or Rulership Proverbs 16:31, Isaiah 28:5, Isaiah 62:3
Ring = Authority Genesis 41:42-43, Esther 3:10-11
Angel = Messenger Daniel 8:16; 9:21; Luke 1:19, 26; Hebrews 1:14
Babylon = apostasy/confusion/rebellion Gen. 10:8-10; 11:6-9; Rev. 18:2, 3; 17:1-5
Mark = Sign or seal of approval or disapproval Ezekiel 9:4; Romans 4:11; Revelation 13:17; 14:9-11; 7:2, 3
Seal = Sign or mark of approval or disapproval Romans 4:11; Revelation 7:2, 3
White Robes = Victory/righteousness Revelation 19:8; 3:5; 7:14
Jar / Vessel = Person Jermiah 18:1-4, 2 Corinthians 4:7
Time = 360 Day Daniel 4:16, 23, 25, 32; 7:25; Daniel 11:13 margin
Times = 720 Days Daniel 7:25, Revelation 12:6,14, 13:5
Day = Literal year Ezekiel 4:6; Numbers 14:34
Trumpet = loud warning of God's approach Exodus 19:16-17, Joshua 6:4-5

Actions, Activities, and Physical States

Healing = Salvation Luke 5:23-24
Leprosy / Sickness = Sin Luke 5:23-24
Famine = Dearth of Truth Amos 8:11

People and Body Parts

Woman, Pure = True Church Jeremiah 6:2; 2 Corinthians 11:2; Ephesians 5:23-27
Woman, Corrupt = Apostate church Ezk. 16:15-58; 23:2-21; Hos. 2:5; 3:1; Rev. 14:4
Thief = Suddenness of Jesus' coming 1 Thessalonians 5:2-4; 2 Peter 3:10
Hand = Deeds / Works / Actions Ecclesiastes 9:10, Isaiah 59:6
Forehead = Mind Deuteronomy 6:6-8, Romans 7:25; Ezekiel 3:8, 9
Feet = Your Walk / Direction Genesis 19:2, Psalm 119:105
Eyes = Spiritual Discernment Matthew 13:10-17, 1 John 2:11
Skin = Christ's righteousness Exodus 12:5, 1 Peter 1:19, Isaiah 1:4-6
Harlot = Apostate church/religion Isaiah 1:21-27; Jeremiah 3:1-3; 6-9
Heads = Major powers/rulers/governments Revelation 17:3, 9, 10

And here are symbolic numbers.

Number Meaning
One Beginning, one
Two Witness, separation
Three The Trinity (Godhead)
Four Earth, creation, world
Five Grace, cross, atonement, life
Six Man, beast, Satan
Seven Perfection, completeness
Eight New beginning
Nine Completeness, finality, fullness
Ten Law, government, restoration
Eleven Incompleteness, disorganization, disintegration
Twelve Divine government, apostolic fullness
Thirteen Rebellion, backsliding, apostasy
Fourteen Passover
Seventeen Spiritual order
Twenty-four Priestly courses; governmental perfection
Thirty Consecration; maturity for ministry
Forty Probation, testing, closing in victory or judgment
Fifty Pentecost, liberty, freedom, jubilee
Seventy Prior to increase
Seventh-five Separation, cleansing, purification
One Hundred Twenty End of all flesh, beginning life in the Spirit
One Hundred Forty-four God's ultimate in creation
One hundred fifty-three Revival, the elect
Three hundred Faithful remnant
Six hundred sixty-six Antichrist, Satan, the damned Triplicate 666

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