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Are you Anti-OWS or Pro-OWS?
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[quote:The_Viceroy:MV8xNzA5NzM5XzI4NTU3NzAxXzFGQjM0NUM4] I appreciate your observations but I don't totally agree with them. For one thing, there is a big difference between "restore" and "reset". A "reset" could mean virtually anything is on the other side and something even potentially worse than what we have now. I think that many OWSers have been duped into thinking that they are doing something positive, but the motivation of those behind OWS are NOT positive. Contrary to what many OWS supporters would like to believe, the philosophy behind the movement is nothing new. True that it is now manifesting itself in a different way but the underlying philosophy has been tried and imposed on societies time and time again throughout history with devastatingly negative results each time. An imposed "fairness" cannot and does not work. Never has, never will, no matter how much smarter the current crop of self-important "geniuses" think they are than anyone who has come before them. many in the country and around the world are rightfully angry but there is a positive anger and a negative anger. In OWS, I see negative anger based on envy and petty jealousy, two of man's most destructive vices. I don't see any positive outcome from a movement based on negative anger. And, though the rank and file OWSer may not have a plan for what comes after this "reset" they want, you can bet your life that TPTB behind the movement DO have a plan, and it most certainly does not include the expansion or preservation of the average person's right or liberties. I can assure you of that. As far as "restoration" of the system, that is a kind of reset in itself. But it is a positive reset and I am still of the opinion that it can be done, at least in the US. You say that people can change and become more caring in the absence of money. I agree. But then that also means that they have the capacity within them to change without having to suffer through the chaos of a collapse. In the case of the US, our Founders did not design our system to work under the current circumstances. In fact, they told us flat out that it wouldn't. Our system is the way it is because we, as citizens, are lacking the virtue and moral foundation for it to be any other way. We have become cynical, aloof, disengaged and self-absorbed and thus have allowed thieves to run roughshod. We haven't only allowed it but we have aided and abetted in it by or silent acceptance. Evil flourishes because we have allowed it to. I hope you agree with the premise that empowering any governing body to "impose fairness" onto a society is destined to fail. But when I ask the OWSers to flesh out their anger and walk us through their Utopian fantasy to their desired conclusion, all I ever get are blank stares and philosophic blather. I ask, where are these perfect and uncorruptable people that will decide what is fair and impose it onto us all without trampling the rights and liberties of every single citizen? Such people have never existed and never will exist. But yet some have been convinced that they do. Those are the "dangerously naive" that I refer to. Any system is only as good as the people within it, but honesty and integrity have been expunged from the public narrative. Thus we expect people to behave properly and play by the rules only by threat of force. That only makes for smarter, bolder and more devious criminals. [/quote]
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"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."
Thomas Jefferson
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