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IT DOES NOT MATTER IF OBAMA WAS BORN IN HAWAII... here's why.
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Written below is a very thorough explanation which I found at this site...
[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]
It lays out exactly what everyone has been talking about. I hope it helps to clarify the questions around the birth and citizenship status of Obama. It helped me. I decided this needed its own thread.
"Between Dec. 24, 1953 and Nov. 13, 1986, an individual born abroad to a U.S. citizen parent married to an alien could be a “natural born citizen” only if the U.S. citizen parent had lived in the U.S. continuously for 10 years, five of which were after their 14th birthday.
Barack Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was born on November 29, 1942. Obama was allegedly born on August 4, 1961. Thus, by prevailing U.S. law, Barack Obama could not have been a “natural born U.S. citizen.”
If he was born in Kenya, Mr. Obama's mother was only 18 and could not have lived in the U.S. five years after her 14th birthday at the time of his birth.
Thus, it became a political necessity for Barack Obama to have a U.S. birth certificate. A forged birth certificate may have been produced in this case on April 27, 2011 because a genuine one does not exist despite the fact that the President was born in Hawaii or does not exist because he was born overseas.
For Barack Obama to have become a U.S. citizen under prevailing U.S. law at the time of his birth in 1961, his mother would have had to petition a U.S. immigration court for a naturalized U.S. citizenship status, which would have been readily granted to him because he was born of an American mother.
However, by the tragic timing of his birth taking place a few months short of his mother’s having lived in the U.S. for five years continuously after her 14th birthday, Barack Obama never achieved “natural born citizen” status and was as a matter of law constitutionally ineligible for the U.S. Presidency.
It is an established fact that Mr. Obama acquired Indonesian citizenship when his mother married Indonesian national Lolo Soetoro, who adopted Mr. Obama and moved his family to Indonesia in 1967. Indonesia requires that its citizens renounce all other citizenships.
There is no record, however, that after she sent Mr. Obama to live with his grandparents in Hawaii in 1971 or divorced Mr. Soetero Mr. Obama’s mother ever petitioned for U.S. nationalization of Mr. Obama.
Thus, it is most plausible that Mr. Obama was an Indonesian citizen,
when he returned to live with his grandparents in Hawaii in 1971
when he matriculated to Occidental College in Hawaii in 1979
when he ran for the U.S. Senate in January 2003
when he declared for U.S. President on February 10, 2007
Thus, as a matter of law, even a valid birth certificate showing that Mr. Obama was born on August 4, 1961 in Hawaii would not suffice to grant Barack Obama the “natural born” status he requires to be U.S. President, absent a special statue of the U.S. Congress as was granted his 2008 Presidential rival John McCain.
Ironically, in 1986, this U.S. immigration and naturalization law was changed to grant John McCain “natural born” status despite his having been born in the U.S. Panama Canal Zone.
The law change permits an individual born overseas to a U.S. parent married to an alien to acquire “natural born” status when born overseas in specific U.S. related facilities and territories."
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