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"Curiosity Mars "landing" BIGGEST HOAX EVER!!!"
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[quote:nomuse (not logged in) 2380183:MV8xOTQ4MzY2XzMyODU5MzcxX0M5NzNDMkI1] [quote:Engineer 694654:MV8xOTQ4MzY2XzMyODU4ODc0X0RGMEJFQkU=] Yes, that is true. And nobody will love me for saying this, but we don't have any need for more people in this country/world. I think we are entering an age where we are going to create more problems than we can solve comfortably, and most of our energy is going to be used deciding how to support more people and fix more messes. We will become our own biggest problem. When I was a boy in the early 1960s, [i]most of the land and waters were clean and enjoyable around the USA. Now, they are all toxic.[/i] A man working at a gas-station in 1970 could buy a house and support his wife and kids, now it takes 2 working people to live minimally on average. In the 1920s depression, there was already so many people (100million) that ALL deer went extinct in the USA east of the Mississippi as people hunted them for food. They had to be repopulated from deer in other countries. The purpose of technology is to eliminate people/work, so we can enjoy a better life with more free time, and as we do that, we keep adding more people to the country/world exponentially and never realize the benefits that technology was supposed to provide. In the 1950s/60s, the propaganda was telling us we would live like the Jetsons, and everything would be done with machines, so humans could just enjoy life ... And now we say "get a job" - but there are no jobs and there are no lands we can live on that we can't be taxed off of, so we are forced to serve the system. And a few have billions, and the rest are on food stamps. I proposed putting a tattoo-dot on the big toe of a woman each time she has a baby, and after a dot on each big toe, on the 3rd baby, tubes tied. 3 is enough for any parents that truly care for children! And stop immigration 100%, there is no reason for endless immigration. Without population growth, housing would almost be free. With free-energy for each home, there is no need to pay for it, and it is coming very soon. With free housing and free energy, there is not much need to work for a system, except for some basic things like soap, toothbrushes, etc. But that kind of life is being destroyed by creating endless troubles with endless population growth. I can't put my finger on it, but I have a feeling there is something "Christian" or religious behind it. If we used our brains, we could make a nice, free, comfortable, and enjoyable life for people in this country/world, but we are not using our brains. We are moving ahead like stupid pigs - leadership is very poor. I will die in a decade or so, so I won't have to live with what comes next, but I strongly encourage young people to step up to the challenge of destroying the systems we have now, and rebuilding a new way of life. It's necessary, and there is no other way. We are placing all of our bets on "technology", but if it is a losing bet, there will be nothing left for humanity, we are way past the point were nature could provide, we are living solely because of technology. If some solar or other event destroyed our electrical grids and electronics, most people would die. Almost all. It's dangerous to put all of your eggs in one basket. We cannot continue the baby-boomer way into the future without creating hell on earth. NASA won't save us by giving us other planets to live on. That is BS/nonsense. The source of all wealth comes from mining/farming, and when those resources are being fully exploited, increasing populations only make increasing poverty. You can't keep dividing up what you pull out of the earth endlessly, and people need to care about future generations, and not only themselves. We come into this world, then we leave it in a very short time. We should be leaving things better for each generation. But nobody is caring about that. It shouldn't be a matter of "overpopulation", but a matter of "optimal population". All measurements in nature fall into a Bell Curve, and I think we are on the downward slide. [/quote] And yet you see the need for less government. Clean air and water, decent wages and living conditions, reliable products -- all of these are beset by the tragedy of the commons. In all of these cases, each INDIVIDUAL in a place to do something about it can stand only to lose by acting. So no-one does. The company that doesn't pollute, or that offers child care, is the company that is undercut by those that are willing to pollute and to take everything they can from their workers. They lose market share, they lose customers (who go to the lower prices), they get sued by stockholders and crushed by competitors. So no-one can afford to be the one to take the first step. And, yet, with no-one doing it, everyone suffers; even the ruthless cutthroat "competitive" company suffers from a polluted environment and a customer base that can no longer afford their products (because none of them have a decent job anymore). Government regulation is the worst of all possible solutions -- excepting the one; the lack of a solution. And as far as the Malthusian nightmare; I don't say you are wrong. We have already exceeded the worst expectations of Malthus himself: because of technology. Which puts us in a very awkward position. There is no way to get off the tiger right now. The population we have is not sustainable with anything less than the technological infrastructure we are currently using. There is no way to retreat to appropriate technology and sustainable development unless you somehow get rid of a large chunk of the population -- and drastically re-organize the rest. And there is no good way to get there from here. Even a handy plague wouldn't clear the decks in the right way; to get from the current teetering situation to a stable one passes through far too many unstable interim steps. I am not hopeful. I also do not know whether it is an ultimate optimism or the most dismal pessimism to say that we still do not face an [i]existential[/i] crisis. We will almost certainly face famine and war unimagined over the next decades -- but people will still survive. In hunger, in sadness, in anger and in pain, through new diseases and new climates and new geographies. And I don't know whether to call that survival a good thing or not. I am not young, but I expect to be living through some of these changes myself. It is not a pleasant thought. [/quote]
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Americans are weird. They are capable of putting a car on the Moon yet at the same time they have people who claim:
"Curiosity Mars "landing" BIGGEST HOAX EVER!!!"
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