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Pray the rosary!
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[quote:wildhoney:MV8xOTU1NjIyXzM0NDg0MTA5XzZFMzdDNEUz] [quote:Stanfiem:MV8xOTU1NjIyXzMyNzkwMjI1X0I3QUQ2MA==] [quote:Anonymous Coward 21729717:MV8xOTU1NjIyXzMyNzg5NDk1X0E3QTY2RTIz] [quote:Stanfiem:MV8xOTU1NjIyXzMyNzg5MzkwX0QyODM4QzI5] [quote:Anonymous Coward 13864401:MV8xOTU1NjIyXzMyNzg4NDYwX0U4RThFMTA2] [quote:Stanfiem:MV8xOTU1NjIyXzMyNzg4NDIyXzYyOEE0NTJF] [quote:Anonymous Coward 13864401:MV8xOTU1NjIyXzMyNzg4MzUwX0M2OEFBNDQw] [quote:Stanfiem:MV8xOTU1NjIyXzMyNzg4Mjk1XzFCOTc3NUY0] [quote:Anonymous Coward 13864401:MV8xOTU1NjIyXzMyNzg4MjI0XzhGNjQ5Q0E5] [quote:Stanfiem:MV8xOTU1NjIyXzMyNzg4MTczXzZFMzE0MzE2] [quote:Anonymous Coward 13864401:MV8xOTU1NjIyXzMyNzg4MDIzXzEyODRERDY0] [quote:Stanfiem:MV8xOTU1NjIyXzMyNzg3OTk5XzQ2MTdDNjY4] [quote:Anonymous Coward 21755869:MV8xOTU1NjIyXzMyNzg3OTY2XzUxMzBDNzM2] [quote:Anonymous Coward 11849087:MV8xOTU1NjIyXzMyNzg3ODk0XzM5NjREMEUy] [quote:Anonymous Coward 21755869:MV8xOTU1NjIyXzMyNzg3ODcxX0Q3OEQwOUUz] [quote:Anonymous Coward 11849087:MV8xOTU1NjIyXzMyNzg3ODE3XzY4QjQwQjUw] i dont trust that mother mary bitch.. our father is fine to pray glory be to thy father ok to pray but rosery is pure bs.. [/quote] So are you saying Jesus is a son of a bitch? Don't be this ignorant! [/quote] yes all women are fail.. i will never pray to a bitch!! [/quote] She was not a normal woman. Show me a woman who can stand at the foot of the cross where her son is being crucified, and still have faith. [/quote] Come on dude. How do you not see this as idol worship. She is flesh plain and simple. With out god gifting her with that faith she would have been sulking like the rest of the disciples. [/quote] cmon can't you see that is insulting talking about the woman who bore our savior that way? [/quote] Lets put it this way If I was female and had a child that was from God, and then I later found out the instead of praying to God THROUGH JESUS people were praying to god THROUGH ME I would be VERY UPSET. It is not an insult to christ...It is realizing that the flesh and blood that someone walks around in is just that flesh and blood. I worship GOD through the spirit that was inside her and inside of me plain and simple. It is ONLY through the holy spirit that she was able to be part of the birth of Jesus. That spirit that you pray to is also inside of you...so stop praying to her and pray to the father through Jesus. [/quote] So you've never asked anyone to pray for you? [/quote] No I have never asked a dead person (not saying she is spiritually dead just her flesh no longer exists) to pray for me and talk to Jesus for me because I can do it myself. That is the point; you do not need mary to intercede for you. [/quote] But you have people living praying for you? huh..... I think I would rather have my intercessory prayer going through his mother...just sayin... [/quote] Actually no, I do not. You said it yourself...GOING THROUGH HIS MOTHER. Why would a prayer going through a human in heaven be any more effective than say a prayer going through the holy spirit that lives inside of you? [/quote] so you have never had anyone pray for you????? [/quote] That is not what the Rosary, at it's core, is though. Look at it like this. While I am praying i never stop and say Dear holy friend who lives down the street please talk to GOD for me and let him know I need his help. Get it now? In my opinion it is all about how you view the Rosary, Mary, and prayer. All I am saying is that prayer is more than just "let me recite some words and it will magically change my life." It is not about words. These things are human constructs that our minds have developed. The act of prayer is you Joining in the struggle or burden or joy of the person you are praying for and or with. My comfort is in the fact that knowing I share in the same spirit as mary, and paul, and peter, not in the fact that through these people I have another person to pray to, Does that make sense? I am not condemning people that pray the Rosary. I just feel that the people that believe in a human being and considering her the HOLY MOTHER OF GOD is a bit much. Just for some clarification, When you (not necessarily directed at the person I quoted but anyone who prays the Rosary) pray the rosary do you always end with this prayer? "HAIL, HOLY QUEEN, Mother of Mercy, our life, our sweetness and our hope! To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve; to thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping in this vale of tears. Turn then, most gracious advocate, thine eyes of mercy toward us, and after this our exile, show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus. O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary!" Because this is a prayer TO mary not WITH mary. you are not joining in prayer with her you are placing her between you and Jesus. Just read the words. Just check your own spirit and make sure that when and if you pray the rosary you are not praying to mary but you are praying to Jesus. That's all. I will never pray it though, no need. [/quote] How can you talk so much about it without ever having done it? Trust me, there is nothing to be afraid of, our mother loves us! [/quote] Because, my friend, I have spent close to 7 years constantly praying, fighting (winning and losing), meditating, and reading about things like this. It is not as if I am oblivious to the doings of the Catholic church. When you view the rosary you see a sacred and holy prayer that allows you to communicate with mary that then takes your prayers to Jesus. I see an Idle that makes light of what Christ has done for me. Now I am not saying that everyone that prays the rosary is worshiping an idol and going to hell. It is just that I know this world is screwed up and the closer I am to God the better. Therefore placing a human in-between me and Jesus adds an unnecessary complication, and these complications only give satan a foothold to lead us astray. Be careful who your spirit prays TO is all I am saying. By the way Mary is not my mother. The spirit of Jesus that lives inside of me is entirely from God. My mother is the person that bore my flesh. [/quote] Then you dont understand Christ if you think your Mother is the person that bore your flesh..in my opinion..or you think your family is your family He was quite clear..He said His family are those of God.. he wasnt denying Mary..He was elevating Her TOGETHER with all those of GOD as one family.. We are so bound by vioew that are of this reality We think the flesh is what counts..blood etc..it is not it is the spirit.. In God we are all one..and one family My opinion all the above [/quote]
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