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[quote:Anonymous Coward 20541213:MV8xOTU1NjIyXzM0NTAxODA1X0E0QTJEQjEx] [quote:Anonymous Coward 4223094:MV8xOTU1NjIyXzM0NTAwNjMxXzNBQzAwNkE0] [quote:Anonymous Coward 20541213:MV8xOTU1NjIyXzM0NDk4NTc4XzI2Q0U1QzY2] [quote:Anonymous Coward 4223094:MV8xOTU1NjIyXzM0NDk3ODQ1XzIzRTlGMDFE] [quote:Anonymous Coward 20541213:MV8xOTU1NjIyXzM0NDk3Njc2XzlCNTNERjZF] [quote:Anonymous Coward 4223094:MV8xOTU1NjIyXzM0NDkxNTQzX0U3Mzk5OUE3] [quote:Anonymous Coward 13864401:MV8xOTU1NjIyXzMyNzg4MTA3XzI2MUQxMUM4] [quote:Anonymous Coward 11849087:MV8xOTU1NjIyXzMyNzg3ODk0XzM5NjREMEUy] [quote:Anonymous Coward 21755869:MV8xOTU1NjIyXzMyNzg3ODcxX0Q3OEQwOUUz] [quote:Anonymous Coward 11849087:MV8xOTU1NjIyXzMyNzg3ODE3XzY4QjQwQjUw] i dont trust that mother mary XXX.. our father is fine to pray glory be to thy father ok to pray but rosery is pure bs.. [/quote] So are you saying Jesus is a son of a XXX? Don't be this ignorant! [/quote] yes all women are fail.. i will never pray to a XXX!! [/quote] To all Protestants: Read Rev. 12:1 "A great portent appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars." [/quote] A woman represents [u]a church[/u] so boo hoo. [/quote] "a church"...? The "church" and "Israel" [u]can be[/u] secondary meanings. [b]#1[/b], the first meaning, absolutely, it's fact, the "woman" is Mary, Our Lord's mother. Read further in Chapter 12, the "woman" again, the "woman" who brought forth the man child is Mary most Holy. Try to put it together, never in Scripture does a son call his mother "woman." Jesus does to help you see, who Mary is, she is important. More than once Jesus calls His mother "woman" in the Gospel, imagine, even in His suffering, He calls Mary "woman" from the Cross. blessings, :rose: [/quote] You can take your idolatrous ways with your beads and [u][color=darkred]give yourself an enema[/color][/u] cause only you catholics buy into that garbage. In Revelation the woman represents a church as you also find with her in the wilderness. Mary [u]sleeps in the grave[/u] waiting the second coming of Jesus. Necromancy is also an abomination the God so stay in your deluded fantasy. Give me scripture not tradition. [/quote] Notice everyone, Ac 42230.. does not reply to what is shared above. Just more denial and use of vulgarity. Stop with the vulgarity. Mary is the "woman" in Genesis 3:15, Jesus says "woman" in speaking to Mary several times and Mary is the "woman" in Revelation 12. Ac, "soul sleep" isn't true. It comes from a non-Christian sect, 7th Day Adventists. Remember, God makes exceptions, He took two holy men (Enoc and Eliijah) in the OT to Heaven why would He not then, His very own mother! And what of the "transfiguration?" Who were those two men (Moses and Eliijah) if everyone is asleep in their grave? There are saints in Heaven, not just the canonized, recognized saints, there are millions of saints in Heaven. The Bible, the Bible, show me in the Bible? I hear you, the Bible says not all Jesus did is written in Scripture, it came first, we have the oral tradition too. The Bible is a Catholic book, deny it till God shows you in the [color=red]Great Warning[/color]. God wants us all to believe the same, He wants you to choose for the faith very soon, maybe as soon as next year? 2013. I'll say a prayer... - - - - - "[u]Necromancy[/u] is consulting the dead in order to discern the future. The word necromancy derives from the νεκρός (nekrós), "dead", and μαντεία (manteía), "divination". First, the Saints in heaven are not "dead." They are alive in Christ - more alive than we are! "He is notGod of the dead, but of the living; you are quite wrong" ([b]Mark 12:27[/b]). Secondly, Catholics do not ask the Saints for prayer so that they can forecast the future. Maybe somebody's aunt in Mexico conjures up things through burning herbs and invoking saints - but that is not what the Catholic Church teaches or promotes. It's an abuse, not the norm. Ultimately, glorified Saints in heaven take up their priestly identity as the people of God. This priestly identity involves intercession and so they continue to love us and the only thing they can do is pray for us. "We are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses" ([b]Hebrews 12:1[/b])" Thanks, Dr. Taylor Marshall. [/quote] [u]Your full of shit[/u], Mary is not in Genesis 3:15 it is referring to Jesus. You can put all your catholic traditions up against scripture and you will fail. [u]The dead know nothing[/u] when they die their thoughts perish. There are certain people taken into heaven but Mary is not one. She was blessed amongst women but not mankind. catholics pray to dead saints and Mary in prayer. Mary is not a co-redeemer with Christ at all. [/quote] This is the last, I am not going to respond, help you again until you clean up your language. What a gentleman. All the things you say above are not true. You have no authority. God gave the Church the authority to interpret Scripture and to pass on God's revelation, the oral and the written. God has given Christians a way, they can know for sure, via the Church, the RCC. You misinterpret "the dead know nothing." Read the footnote. Read the Douay-Rheims Bible, the footnotes help you understand why the Church teaches what she does. The Latin Vulgate, the first Bible is a word for word translation of the original writings. Thanks St. Jerome. The Douay-Rheims is the English translation of the Latin Vulgate http://www.drbo.org/ Chapter 9 heading reads...the vanity of temporal things [i]Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die, but [u]the dead know nothing[/u] more, neither have they a reward any more: for the memory of them is forgotten. [/i]  Know nothing more: Viz., as to the transactions of this world, in which they have now no part, [b]unless it be revealed to them[/b]; neither have they any knowledge or power now of doing any thing to secure their eternal state, (if they have not taken care of it in their lifetime:) nor can they now procure themselves any good, as the living always may do, by the grace of God. [/quote]
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