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Subject The thing I like the most about the GLPers here

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I see. So, there were a lot of these rubber pads in the towers? Could these failing really cause the collapse of them? Especially at near free-fall speeds? What's the significance of them?
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Yes, see link

http://www.designcommunity.com/discussion/7551.html

If they started to melt at the same time the building was being torqued by the wind, it would have caused serious problems, structurally.

The significance of them is that when they are not where they should be, the building is no longer structurally sound.

Bad design , imo.

here's a more in-depth explanation of them

http://www.designcommunity.com/discussion/7595.html
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Provided that this is what caused the collapse, I'm still skeptical about the steel columns that have 45 degree "cuts" in them all the way down to the base of the structure.

And all that molten steel.. The fire from the jet fuel couldn't have been hot enough or lasted long enough to melt the steel to make it molten liquid.

"Jet fuel is refined kerosene. Airliners use "Jet A" kerosene and the military uses "JP 4" kerosene. Regardless, neither grade burns hot, or it would melt the inside of a jet engine.

Jet A is the same stuff burned in conventional steel wall heaters. In an open-air office fire such as that at WTC (called a "dirty burn") kerosene or any hydrocarbon will burn at around 500-700degrees Fahrenheit. The FEMA report on 911 said that the jet fuel burned off after a few minutes and the fires from the office furniture and carpets were about 560 degrees. The special structural steel of the WTC has over 98% of its strength at those temperatures, and the WTC was built to hold 5 times its load.

In a "controlled burn" (where oxygen and fuel are regulated in an optimal mix), jet fuel will reach a maximum temperature of 1800 degrees Fahrenheit, which is still not anywhere near the temperature required to weaken the steel girders of a building to the point that the entire building plummeted to the ground.  Yet molten steel was reported below the towers, suggesting that a very powerful "fuel" was used, set to burn or explode BELOW the building, not at its top. Thermite, an HTA (high-temperature accelerant) typically used in military operations, would have been able to liquefy the steel.  Thermite can reach a temperature of 4500 dF in 2 seconds, and steel begins to melt at 2750 dF."

It just doesn't add up.. Without something to assist said fires that "melted" the steel.
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I don't think you could attribute the collapse to one particular cause, but they were part of the problem.

Constant volume adiabatic flame temperature really doesn't have anything to do with it.

What's your opinion on rapid embrittlements of metal ?
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Original Message It's like everyone I have seen post anything about 9/11 here are in agreement that there is some serious bull shit surrounding the story brought to us from the MSM. Yet when talking about it to anyone else I know about it, they're in an agreement that the event is exactly how the MSM says it is. Even those that consider themselves conspirocy theorists. It's like damn 9-11 to me is the greatest cover up, conspirocy in the history of this nation, yet they refuse to look at the actual facts, and ask questions.

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