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The Rapture, Pre-Trib believers please watch!!
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[quote:Anonymous Coward 23356301:MV8xOTk4Njg1XzMzNTc1OTcwX0YwNDE0MDk=] [quote:Machine42:MV8xOTk4Njg1XzMzNTc1NjI2XzkwNEMwMjQ0] [quote:Keep2theCode:MV8xOTk4Njg1XzMzNTc1NTA1XzM5MzU4RjI1] [quote:Machine42:MV8xOTk4Njg1XzMzNTc1NDI5XzM3N0NCQkI=] I disagree, this is talking about a man turning his back on god and falling away. For example we have pushed God out of the school system, we are in the mist of a great falling away. Also, look at the issue of Gay marriage. Why is it that people are always bending the words to hear what you want to hear to fit your theories. Just comprehend it as it is written. When you have to explain away every verse to help the pre-trib view you know something is wrong. If there was a pre-trib rapture it would have been clear in the bible. [/quote] It's fine to disagree, but when the Greek lexicons and linguistic rules say a word's semantic range in context, we can't just make it mean what we want. There is nothing in the context that says apostasy must mean a departure from the faith. Certainly there are other passages of scripture that talk about people departing from the faith, so it's right to render the word apostasy as such in those contexts. Certainly also there is ample evidence of people falling from the faith. But neither of those things has bearing on the meaning of apostasy in the context in which Paul writes about how to know when we are [b]not yet[/b] in the Day of the Lord. Everybody can accuse everybody else of only hearing what they want to hear; it's a useless charge to make. I can also tell you to "comprehend it as it is written", so why bother saying that? Is it not I who have appealed to what is written, the context? The pre-trib view is well-argued in many places, and in this thread alone I've debunked every claim and point you've raised. So it is not just my view that has "to explain away every verse"; LOOK IN THE MIRROR. Your view is NOT CLEAR AT ALL. [/quote] I dont think it gets more clear then this... 29 “[b]Immediately after[/b] the distress of those days “‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’[b] 30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[d] 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. (this is the rapture, immediately after the tribulation) [/quote] Yes the 3 Days of Darkness, but no rapture, this is false translation or fraud. Nobody is gathered from the 4 winds of heaven, that alone should CLUE YOU IN. This is Satanic stuff, not of God. The sun will be darkened IS the 3 Days of Darkness I have been teaching about. Haen't you had enough TRIB already? The earth is tired, the judgement is to happen. No trib after it, we get to work on the age of light. Its time to grow you mind or keep it buried in the sand. To each to decide. After the 3DD, jillions of craft will be visible, and the removal of thugs complete. There will be 1/2 the people GONE and those left behind the blessed ones who MIGHT get their heads out of the sand. [/quote]
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Please do not be deceived, there is no pre-tribulation rapture.
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