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The moon's crookedness is caused by our going toward the center of the galactic plane
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[quote:Weasel_Turbine:MV8yMDEzOTI1XzM0MDAzNzU0XzI5RjE3Njk0] [quote:Anonymous Coward 10082464:MV8yMDEzOTI1XzM0MDAzNjgxX0VERjc5NjYx] [quote:Weasel_Turbine:MV8yMDEzOTI1XzM0MDAzNTIzX0ZCNTBBMTlF] [quote:Anonymous Coward 10082464:MV8yMDEzOTI1XzM0MDAzMjkwXzg0RTIzRjZB] [quote:Weasel_Turbine:MV8yMDEzOTI1XzM0MDAyNzQ5X0Y2RTc1QzBE] [quote:Anonymous Coward 10082464:MV8yMDEzOTI1XzM0MDAyNjgyX0NDNDJBMEJF] [quote:Weasel_Turbine:MV8yMDEzOTI1XzMzOTQ1NTQ4Xzg5QjQ5Q0E=] [quote:Anonymous Coward 22569292:MV8yMDEzOTI1XzMzOTM5NjU1Xzk1ODFEOUM3] [quote:Weasel_Turbine:MV8yMDEzOTI1XzMzOTM5NTA0XzlEQjdBMzRE] [quote:Anonymous Coward 22569292:MV8yMDEzOTI1XzMzOTM4NDI2X0Y4RjFBREIx] [quote:Weasel_Turbine:MV8yMDEzOTI1XzMzOTIwMjQwX0JCOTFEMkVG] [quote:Anonymous Coward 25665409:MV8yMDEzOTI1XzMzOTE2OTAzXzI4NkE4Q0JD] I don't know why you can't still See what I write. Again First Links don't cut it. If you can't write in your own words means you don't understand. [/quote] I've written in my own words and you ignored it. It was a page back now. Here it is again. You provided evidence to refute a total of NONE of this before. Pay attention to the part I've bolded. The Earth has NOT tilted any more than it always has. The north star is still where it is supposed to be as are all the others. If there were some anomalous tilt they would not be. The APPARENT tilt of the Moon is a trick of perspective. EVERYTHING in the sky appears to tilt throughout the night. The Moon APPEARS tilted to the left when it rises and you are looking East. Then it is upright when high in the sky and you are looking South and then appears tilted to the right when it sets and you are looking West. At no time did the Moon or the Earth actually tilt. YOU turned while looking at it. [b]How do we know it is only an apparent tilt? Because at the same time you see it tilted to the right and setting, someone on the other side of the world sees it tilted to the left and rising.[/b] Both can't be true. neither are. At all times the North pole of the moon is still pointed north. Think about it logically, if you are looking South at the moon high in the sky, the Moon should be upright because the North pole is pointing North. If you are looking West at the Moon setting, which direction is North? It is now on your right, so should the Moon still appear upright? No of course not. It will appear tilted so the North pole still points North but it hasn't actually turned, nor has the Earth. YOU did. You were looking South, now West. [quote:Anonymous Coward 25665409:MV8yMDEzOTI1XzMzOTE2OTAzXzI4NkE4Q0JD] Second, the tilting of the Crescent was never before so often seen during all seasons, and now that it is, it's a common occurrence that FR properly explains? I don't think so. [/quote] Yes it was. Just because you didn't notice it doesn't mean it didn't happen. [/quote] Ah darn, back to the same Boring verbage yet again. Oh well This is certainly the best some can do, would take a Lot of energy for the dull to try and rise above their own Predicament, save but for Moments. Yes, AGAIN! I've read your words and the same words countless of times elsewhere, ad nauseum. I'm not sure why you can't understand. To you too: THEY DO NOT ADDRESS THE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM See comments above to Lady Boy for Further explanation, if you can find your way about. [/quote] the fundamental problem is you don't understand what you're talking about. EVERYTHING is still in the correct place. YOU haven't proven otherwise. Just because you don't understand it doens't mean it isn't true. I've yet to see you show that you understand field rotation AT ALL. If you're going to TRY to say that what is being seen is not field rotation (despite all the proof otherwise and no complaining from those that do understand it all) then it would help if you understood it first. [/quote] That's all you can Do? Is hand waving on an on about FR all you have? That's all [b]they[/b] Give you I imagine. Still you can't address the main problem, so you too can't Navigate, Read, or Think. No matter how many times you say I don't Understand, I do. You Don't, so you might want to at some point save Face. But that's on you, it's pretty funny to me, albeit in a tragic sort of way! [/quote] Who is "they"? You really think there is some conspiracy trying to hide the "truth" from you? Hah! You're funny! I STILL have yet to see ANY proof from you. YOU claim the tilt is more than normal or at odd times. YOU need to prove it. YOU have so far failed to even try. Still waiting by the way for your explanation about why IF the tilt of the moon is because of the Earth then two people on opposite sides of the Earth can see the moon tilting opposite apparent directions exactly as they would for field rotation. [/quote] Of course there's a Conspiracy afoot, Weasel, and this is such a board, in case you forgot! THEY (TPTB) don't want us to know the truth, what they're doing to us, or what our real situation is, and certainly Not where we are heading, which I've already herein described to no small letter, tyvm. You're welcome. As far as Proof goes, I've seen lots of Proof given, and I even supplied one in a Thread about two years ago now, showing a picture of the moon high in the sky from the Northern Hemisphere compared to same moon more than a Decade ago, and it wasn't good enough for those who choose not to believe. Then it was that the first time that Libration was first given as an explanation by none other than John Lear, who was supposed to be an expert on the Moon. When that didn't work out, he and others came on Board and started spouting (the first time to my knowledge) that it was rather Field Rotation, but Never had Field Rotation been used to explain anything about the appearance of the Moon before. The only usual naturally occuring movement of the moon to the apparent eye-witness of a person as he stands in one spot over the course of the Month was Libration: [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3ryt9fBOBE[/youtube] That's as much as the Moon USED to change orientation once upon the time in the Sky. And so no Proof can be supplied to the full satisfaction of those on sites like these, Gatekeepers I'd say, who make it a point not only to have themselves not convinced, but take up lots of time and effort to guarantee that others also do not believe. Nor does our looking in the Sky offer good enough proof, just as it is not good enough for you for me to say the Sun has gotten Brighter, even though thousands lay testament to this utterly True and Accurate statement. [/quote] Libration has only been used by those who didn't understand what you were trying to say or didn't know themselves. It is the movement over a MONTH. Field rotation STILL explains the apparent nightly movement. It has ALWAYS been there. The ancient Egyptians knew about it. It is described in textbooks. And if you actually think about it, it makes sense. You STILL have ignored this. Still waiting by the way for your explanation about why IF the tilt of the moon is because of the Earth then two people on opposite sides of the Earth can see the moon tilting opposite apparent directions exactly as they would for field rotation. [/quote] Yes but Libration used to be the only tilting we'd ever see in our Sky of the Moon. The man on the moon so to speak was Generally (i.e., except in winter) of the same posture no matter what position he was in the sky. The person in the Southern Hemisphere would see a differently oriented moon, only because he's upside down to Us in this hemisphere. [/quote] Wrong. Libration and field rotation have BOTH always been present. You ignored the FACT that the ancient Egyptians saw it and described it. [quote:Anonymous Coward 10082464:MV8yMDEzOTI1XzM0MDAzMjkwXzg0RTIzRjZB] Your second point I'm not even sure why you bring it up, because if the Earth also tilts like I've asserted, then this is also enough of an explanation, and no need of FR. [/quote] Wrong. If the tilt of the Moon is because of Earth tilting then all observers will see the Moon tilt the SAME way at the same time. If it is from field rotation then different observers see different tilts depending on location. You still can't explain it. [/quote] So says you, but you've been Wrong thus far. Plus it's also humorous when another Culture seeks to understand another. Just like our trying to say that the Mayans were into Sacrifice, which is not true AT ALL! So you have in your possession an accurate account of Egyptian knowledge... [/quote] Prove I've been wrong. You have yet to provide ANY actual evidence. [/quote]
In our EU, the usual nearer and stronger EM forces of the sun keep us oriented--usually.
However as we approach galactic center, the forces there are so strong that we tilt even moreso sometimes (given whatever conditions we pass through at any given time), giving that mushroom smoking Cat like grin to the moon we witness, sometimes, even out of season.
Not to mention the polar disarray the sun is also going through not only with its own solar cycles (of which are bad enough), but--again--approaching galactic center.
These are signs of our impending pole shift.
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