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the bible says turn the other cheek but what do you do if that one is harmed also?
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[quote:Chip:MV8yMDQ0MjYxXzM0MzUyMzA1X0UzMzA5RkUz] [quote:skeptic 8198777:MV8yMDQ0MjYxXzM0MzUyMDg1XzI5QUZBQkIy] [quote:Chip:MV8yMDQ0MjYxXzM0MzUxODMwX0E2OTc3OEEw] [quote:skeptic 8198777:MV8yMDQ0MjYxXzM0MzUxNzEwXzlGRkQ1RDFG] [quote:Chip:MV8yMDQ0MjYxXzM0MzUxNTAzXzFDNkJFOThB] [quote:skeptic 8198777:MV8yMDQ0MjYxXzM0MzUxMzU0X0ZCRjVGNERF] [quote:Chip:MV8yMDQ0MjYxXzM0MzUwOTc3X0U1RTEyNTU1] [quote:skeptic 8198777:MV8yMDQ0MjYxXzM0MzQ5MDYwXzJEMjdEQzAy] :bsflag: Jesus (you know, the guy that your book talks about) gave himself up "unto death." How's that for fighting back? He even scolded Peter for Peter's cutting off of the centurion's ear while trying to protect jesus. So much for your "godly" argument. Your position is to boost your ego and justify to natural reaction to defend yourself--even though jesus specifically decried such a stance while he was being beaten to death. That's pretty much to whole concept of martyrdom summed up for 'ya. I can repeat it slower if you need me to do so... [/quote] You think your clever. However, Peter walked with Jesus daily with a sword on his hip. The portions of the bible to which you refer are regarding the sacrifice of Jesus himself; which had been foretold occur exactly as they did...Peter with his violent actions stood in the way of those prophetic scriptures, Jesus stopped him in order to allow the prophecy to be fulfilled. After walking with Jesus daily and following Jesus...do you really think Peter would have pulled the sword if defending yourself was against the scriptures? You dipshits that think you understand scripture without ever studying it seem like idiots every time you comment on the subject. [/quote] I have studied scripture, and your assesment of me that I am a "dipshit" really does wonders for solidifying your standing as a godly brother whose counsel is both wise and edifying. You fail and so do all phony christians who think they can rationalize the teachings of jesus according to their egotist sensibilities and their worldly philosophies. Until you lay down your life, you're not worthy of His. You can't do that in a faithless act of self-defense. If you act in self-defense, that's fine with me--I would too, and I would applaud anyone who did so. However, don't try to square such actions with christian doctrine, because it can't be done without compromising the words of jesus--that's how we KNOW that the teachings and philosophy of jesus are, by and large, symbolic of perfection while remaining out of reach to the fallen masses. [/quote] I disagree that anything I said is against anything Jesus taught (barring of course my dipshit comment). [b]You are assuming that we must live a life as Jesus lived in order to be part of the "body".[/b] That's complete and utter nonsense. The warrior mentality existed in Jesus by means of Joshua from the old testament. Read and learn. Jesus is "the living word". [/quote] No, I didn't say that. I'm saying that to truly follow the teachings of jesus, you have to lay down your life in the face of injustice just like jesus did. Look what it accomplished! What if Jesus had resorted to violence? What if the apostles had raided the synagogues and retaliated for the murder of their leader? Jesus himself NEVER took up arms or resorted to violence as a defense. In fact, each time prior to this when he was going to be seized, he snuck away and hid--even avoiding cities where he knew he was going to be thrown in jail. Some might even call this behavior cowardly, but that's what the gospels report that he did. Peter was just a man--fallen like every other person on the planet. If you follow Peter's example, then you're not following jesus' example. [/quote] I, as a man will never be like Jesus. That's a certainty I can rely on. The problem with today's Christians is not the things you mention...it's the fact that they have unrealistic expectations. For instance; being like Jesus, isn't ever gonna happen. Make the goal more realistic, be like Peter, worship God through Jesus and protect the innocent. [b]Your premise is off by about 2 shades and so is your comprehension.[/b] [/quote] You're just not getting it, and that's okay--it takes all kinds. If you're content being called a christian (implying that you're trying to live like christ) while openly letting everyone know that "it aint gonna happen so I'll just try to copy that other guy" then that's your business. However, a lack of understanding on your part does not constitute a lack of discernment on mine. Your argument does help elucidate the fact that the ideals and doctrines of the christian faith have always only been intended as an ideal for man to follow--not as the divine words that magically appeared verbatim in a bunch of imperfect dudes' heads and was passed to paper INCORRUPTIBLE. So, good job on that. [/quote] I get exactly what you are saying. I do not call myself a Christian. I cannot be a Christian, I cannot be Christ like. No one can. Christ is unique, his mind was his, his body was his...I cannot embody somebody that I am not. God created you with your own mind, your own body. Be the best you that you can be. That's my acceptance of what Jesus taught. How could you possibly be more the the best you? Trying to act like another person your entire life is a lie. Don't lie! Be real! [/quote]
Is there a specific passage that addresses that? I've been looking for one.
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