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Subject A question about Heaven, and Death for the Christians out there

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In all parables, notice that Jesus never uses any specific names.

However notice here, Jesus is using specific names, Lazarus and Abraham, giving evidence that this is not merely a parable.

Luke 16:19-31

19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”
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Bro you have no idea what jesus said... [b]It was written 30 years after christs crucifiction and them manipulated many times throughout history...[/b]
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Show me proof, I know the original greek words used.  And show me proof, the original greek was manipulated.

I hear this so many times, that it was manipulated, but, they can never back up their claims with actual proof.
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http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/arch/sbrandt/nicea.htm

http://www.christian-history.org/council-of-nicea.html

Show you proof? Proof is imaginary... Show me proof of god, Show me proof the John actually talked to god, Show me proof that this reality is real, Show me the cave there jesus resurected, [b]show me heaven or hell, show me proof of consciousness...[/b]

Anything in that happened in the past is purely speculation in modern times. But when it says that constantine formed the catholic chruch to save his empire on a christian history website it raises some eyebrows to the validity of the biblical scripture...
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Read my previous post about NDEs, and there's evidence for this, which of course I can elaborate upon if necessary.
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In an NDE you view the astral realm as you percieve heaven to be like, ive heard of plenty of accounts of people meeting krishna and buddha as well as christ but these are purely visions of what you believe is reality.
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This is absolutely false, due to veridical information.

This is information that was previously unknown, but later proved and verified to be true.

Meaning, the experience and 'visions'[b] is not a product of what you believe is reality.[/b]
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So because something told in an NDE came to be true it has to be real? If we have a collective consciousness than why couldnt that information be transfered into your consciousness during an NDE?
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Let me elaborate, on their experiences.  This isn't merely like a remote viewer, or even an intuitive picking up on information, or information being transferred to your conscious.

There's NDE cases, in which the person will actually see the deceased in a heavenly location.  Not only see them, but interact with them.  Talk to them, and learn a lot from them and about them, while they were on this Earth.

The information was then verified to be true, after the experience.

That right there, tells you that this isn't merely based on the person's beliefs and expectations.

And even if the person is tapping into a collective conscious to discover and see this, this still proves your assumption is false:

[i]but these are purely visions of what you believe is reality.[/i]
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That right there tells me nothing besides some dead guy in the astral realm made contact with an NDEer and told him stuff about the life he lived...
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lol, but you said

[i]but these are purely visions of what you believe is reality.[/i]
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Which is false[/b]
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The astral realm is a vision, you control that reality.
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Original Message Why is it when people die in the bible there is no mention of them ever going to heaven or meeting god?

Let me give you an example.
Take Noah for instance, he dies and thats it, you never hear from him again, theres no mention of him being in heaven or going to heaven, and Christ never mentions any of the people who have died as being in heaven with god either.

So what happens to us when we die?

When god limited our years and took immortality away, did he really mean for us to die, and never return go to heaven etc etc?

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