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[quote:Anonymous Coward 28951381:MV8yMDY5ODgxXzM0ODM0ODIzX0VBREY4QUJF] [quote:Anonymous Coward 29004635:MV8yMDY5ODgxXzM0ODM0NzQwXzJFRDAzQkJG] [quote:Anonymous Coward 28951381:MV8yMDY5ODgxXzM0ODM0NzMxXzE2OTY5REVF] [quote:Anonymous Coward 29004635:MV8yMDY5ODgxXzM0ODM0NjY4XzEzRkZCQjM4] [quote:Anonymous Coward 28951381:MV8yMDY5ODgxXzM0ODM0NjM4XzZFODg0RjdE] [quote:Anonymous Coward 29004635:MV8yMDY5ODgxXzM0ODM0NTI2XzkyNkRFRDYy] [quote:Anonymous Coward 25602489:MV8yMDY5ODgxXzM0ODM0NDA0XzRGOTc4NEZC] [quote:Anonymous Coward 29004635:MV8yMDY5ODgxXzM0ODMzODI5Xzk3REQ1QjE5] [quote:Anonymous Coward 28951381:MV8yMDY5ODgxXzM0ODMyOTQyX0VGMkIyODQ1] [quote:Anonymous Coward 1159544:MV8yMDY5ODgxXzM0ODMyNjQ2X0UzMUFBQjYx] [quote:Kurdish Shepherd 28432374:MV8yMDY5ODgxX0E3Qjg2MDY3] How do you guys really make the sense of what the Holy Bible tell us? That God sacrificed himself, to himself, to remove the curse he put on us? [/quote] God didn't put the curse on us. He warned Adam and Eve what would happen if they disobeyed and ate the fruit of knowledge, thus humankind, through Adam and Eve put the curse on ourselves, by our own choice. God gave the LAW to provide human beings a way for salvation but no one, NOT ONE MAN or WOMAN was able to keep the law. So the Law only condemned us even more and exposed our sins so that it was clear that we all deserved death <- the ultimate punishment for SIN or EVIL. The Son of God, Jesus Christ, who is God in the Flesh has to come into the world to accomplish what His creation (man) could not. Because He had mercy on us, HE came to accomplish the task of being RIGHTEOUS before the LAW and fulfilling it and because HE overcame, He was raised to Life everlasting, because HE was without SIN and death could not hold HIM for there was nothing for death to hold on to. For death is only for those WITH SIN IN THEM. Because of this, Jesus abolished death and ascended and sits on the right hand throne of the Father and has ALL POWER, for HE is God Almighty. And though HE did not have to, He extended this Grace and Gift to all who would BELIEVE IN HIS NAME, BELIEVE IN THE POWER OF SALVATION THROUGH HIM. BELIEVE IN HIS RESURRECTION that this hope may be with all those that choose to BELIEVE IN HIM. Because NO ONE ELSE COULD DO IT, God did it, to save us. Because HE had mercy on us and gave us ETERNAL HOPE IN HIM. Because HE conquered death, HE gives to anyone the same resurrection and a place to be with HIM forever. For all those that will LIVE will LIVE THROUGH HIM AND HIM ALONE. For HE is the author of all that is Love. All that is Righteous. All that is Good. All that is Life. After all HE is the CREATOR and defines all of creation. In Jesus Christ. [/quote] So let me get this straight. God created satan and banished him to earth once he rebelled. God then created man and placed adam and eve on the same planet he banished his arch nemesis to. He the whispered into adam and eves ears not to eat from the tree of knowledge. Satan then appeared as a snake and convinced eve to eat from the tree. Now that humanity has eaten from the tree satan has the power to condemn our eternal souls and the only thing god could do about it was to incarnate as a human and die on a cross and ascend into heaven in order to open up the pathway to heaven. Many years after he died on the cross and resurected as christ he spoke to a few prophets and had them write a few stories and put the together in a book. He now doesnt have any new prophets and forces us to read the biblical scripture and worship jesus christ in order for our eternal souls not to be tortured for all eternity? That is by far the stupidest thing i have ever heard in my entire life. [/quote] Context, context, context. Adam and Eve were immortal and pure. This is the clue; the tree they ate from was called what....you guessed it, The Tree of the Knowledge of Good [b][u]and Evil.[/u][/b] They would have never known evil if they hadn't done evil in the first place. But, just as Satan was the first rebel with the free will to disobey, God gave Adam and Eve this same right. Satan hated what God had created and he used lies to mislead them to this action. They had the choice to listen to satan or to listen to God. This tree was placed there for the express purpose of allowing this free will. Just as any parent who truly loves their children, disciplines their children; God, told them ahead of time and warned of the consequences. It is not a curse, but is mankind exercising their right to choose. Evil was now a part of the human race. This evil, or sin, is what has alienated us from God, but He knows all that will transpire and had the solution already in the wings...Jesus Christ, the Word, who was there from the beginning. [/quote] Explain something to me. You're comparing God's love to parents who love their children. Would you put something that would ruin your children in their midst? Then if God loves us as claimed, why did he do this? Who was the fruit of that silly tree intended for in the first place? And if not for Adam and Eve to eat from, why was it even in the Garden in the first place? God, being omniscient, would have known they'd eat from it before he even created them. Otherwise, he's not omniscient. This whole Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil is just one of MANY failing situations about the validity of the bible to this former Christian...who opened his eyes and sought truth and saw the many incredible inconsistencies of the bible. [/quote] When we allow our children out of our house and out into the world, we are willfully putting them in the way of danger, no? The world is a scary place, but we still allow them to walk straight into it. Sending our children to school is sending them into the hands of possible bullies, no? But, yet we still send them to school. Does this mean that I don't love my children? [/quote] If your children disobey you do you send them into the basement to be raped and tortured for eternity? Because thats what your god does... [/quote] Please, enlighten me to scripture which states this? [/quote] “The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.” Psalm 9:17… "he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment assented up forever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night..." ~ Revelation 14:10-11 Your idiotic nicean scripture is bullshit buddy. [/quote] And the 'rape' part??? [/quote] Oh my god, do you christias take every word you read lterally? Jesus christ! you guys are hillarious! [/quote]
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How do you guys really make the sense of what the Holy Bible tell us?
That God sacrificed himself, to himself, to remove the curse he put on us?
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