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Subject How can I go beyond "fallen away Catholic" to "not Catholic"?

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See the light (literally and figuratively) and become a confirmed Lutheran.

No allegiance to the Pope.

Only two Sacraments:  Baptism and [u]Communion[/u].
[u]
Consubstantiation[/u], not Transubstantiation.

You are saved from sin and death by Faith Alone.  Not your good deeds, not by contributing money to the Church, but by your own, personal belief in the triune God.

No intercessory prayers to Mary or to any Saints.

Every believer is considered a Saint (and a sinner, at the same time.)

[u]Mary was a sinner[/u] and a saint.  (To be born without original sin, would mean she was more than a human-  a terrible sin to deify her, the Catholic Church has done.)

Pastors in the Lutheran Church may marry, and have children.

Women may be ordained as Pastors.

And, quite recently, openly homosexual individuals may be ordained as Pastors.

In fact, the most Lutheran of Lutheran theologies is the famous quote by Martin Luther (himself, a Catholic monk at one point in his life), "What is this?"  or "What does this mean to *me*?"

You are not only allowed to, you are expected to question your faith and your calling and your belief.
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I can share about two statements above....

Lutheran communion is bread and wine.  Lutherans do not have
a valid priesthood, they cannot confect the Eucharist.  Sonic Dreamer, you realize too, repeating the word "pastor" in your list.

[u]Martin Luther[/u] believed Mary was sinless, the anti-Marian beliefs of others came later.

[u]Today[/u], December 8th is the Feast of the [color=blue]Immaculate Conception[/color].  Yes, it is God's plan, Mary was preserved from sin her entire life, she was [u]conceived[/u] without Original Sin.  She would carry [u]God[/u] inside her!

God makes exceptions (Protestants accept some of them), what a beautiful exception.  St. Jerome in 383 A.D. translated the original writings so we know the first words of the Archangel Gabriel.  His greeting from the Father was ~ "Hail full of Grace."  Grace is God's presence in
your soul.

Luke 1:28  http://www.drbo.org/

I believe the KJV changed the original words.  Mary would
remember what was said to her, she would share it with the Apostles.  The oral teaching passed down is called Tradition.

After the Great Warning, everyone will understand.  Please recall and ask questions now if you like, sincere questions about the faith.

God bless you, :hf:
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You even mentioning Jesus is an insult to Jesus.  There is no difference between you and a parrot.  You cannot answer even the simplest of questions...but, you still continue to speak.  You speak without knowledge of Jesus.  Your words are always the same "become Catholic."  You turn people away from being Catholic, because you lack the knowledge to answer even the simplest of question.

Don't you understand what you are doing?  You are turning people away from Jesus!  You parrot words...but, they have no meaning to you.  You do not understand the words you parrot.  If you understood the words you parrot, then you could answer such a simple question as "can a former Catholic be called 'not Catholic' and not a 'fallen away Catholic'.

I have a present for you...here is some reading for you...see if you can answer the question posed in this thread...
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2055393/pg1

You will love that thread...not a single Catholic could name what time the so called "Eucharist" comes from.  Can you answer that question...or will you be a parrot again?
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Original Message I was raised in the Roman Catholic Church. I no longer believe most of its doctrine. How can I get present Roman Catholics to say that I am "not Catholic" and not a "fallen away Catholic." I will not ever return to being in the RCC. I would rather saw my own head off than be back in the RCC. Tell me if I am wrong - the RCC is not the mafia - right - once you are in the mafia, you can never leave...is that what the present Roman Catholics believe...you can never leave the RCC? I want to be considered "not Catholic" and not a "fallen away Catholic!"

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