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And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood
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[quote:Anonymous Coward 1106916:MV8yMDc3Mzc0XzM0OTc0NDM0XzM5Q0NENDE3] [quote:Jesus Christ is the way:MV8yMDc3Mzc0XzM0OTc0MTcwXzVDMDYxN0Ux] [quote:Lisa*Lisa:MV8yMDc3Mzc0XzM0OTc0MDIzX0I5QkFEODI5] [quote:Jesus Christ is the way:MV8yMDc3Mzc0XzM0OTczNzE4XzlEREQ3QzVF] [quote:Lisa*Lisa:MV8yMDc3Mzc0XzM0OTczMzgzX0RDQzRCNjQz] [quote:Jesus Christ is the way:MV8yMDc3Mzc0XzM0OTczMzEzX0QwNjBEMEE=] The saving of flesh appears to be important in the bible. 2 John 1:7 KJV biblegateway.com For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. As surely as the word is put into flesh and has the capability to be saved, I think the two witnesses are of the literal sense and yet to come. Revelation 11:1-6 I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, “Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, and count the worshipers there. 2But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months. 3And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.” 4These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth. 5If anyone tries to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die. 6These men have power to shut up the sky so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want. There is an exact time of 1260 days. They will prophesy, and they are two men. It does not say who they are, but given that they represent two lampstands and olive trees, they must have power in their words that is irrefutable, and leads the deceived to the truth particularly the Jew to find Christ. [/quote] It might be 2 men, but might not be.....might be 2 groups of people. Or might it even be the OT and the NT? Not sure.... :hf: [/quote] Revelation 6:6 makes it quite clear they are two men.6[b][u]These men[/u][/b] have power to shut up the sky so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want. Are they all that will testify to the truth? No, there are 144,000 who are here in the endtimes as well. [/quote] The human race is also called "mankind"...but there are also women in this race, so "mankind" isn't literal either. 1 Timothy 2:4 "who wants all [u]men[/u] to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth." "Men" means "people".....not literal male humans only. Don't get hung up on a word or two, but look at the bible as a whole. Not every single word is literal. The bible also talks about "a great cloud of witnesses". It doesn't mean a literal cloud. Jesus talked about "living waters" and we know that He didn't mean literal water here on earth. Also the fig tree....these things are symbolic. [/quote] I have to disagree with you on this one. While some portions of the bible are figurative in nature such as parables, the indication is given to the reader for such. Here the mission is clearly defined as well as what they will do and the time period that they will do it in. If it were figurative, then wording that is comparative in nature would have been used. [/quote] Ok, so you believe 2 men will show up in Israel dressed in sackcloth and ashes and they will breath fire on the unbelievers? Really? Ok, well I think it might be a little different then that....but maybe I"m wrong. We agree to disagree in the meantime. :hf: [/quote]
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Revelation 16:4 "And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood."
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