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why are the 13 apostle women not mentioned in the bible?
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[/quote] Not really. Women are to be quiet in church. For example. [/quote] Paul, not Jesus, and in a corrective model of church leadership, not the normative model. (We need to read these passages with 1st century eyes.) [/quote] New Age nonsense. [/quote] My post is "new age nonsense?" LOL May I quote you on that? [/quote] It was always christian tradition that women are to be quiet in church and that the man is the leader of the family. Christianity is not what you hippies like it to be. [/quote] Now I'm a hippie, too? LOL again. Any more [i]ad hominem[/i] attacks left? [/quote] Anything of substance to prove your nonsense? [/quote] Plenty, but unlike you, I have nothing to prove. I'll leave proof to you and the OP, since it seems so lacking. So, I'll let you go first and set the pace. On the other hand you have made unprovable (and unknowable) statements about me that are quite hilarious. I should ping all my friends to this thread so they can laugh with me. (I can't wait to see your proof about my new agishness and hippiness. This will be great!) [/quote] You mean nothing to me. I'm defending traditional christianity. [/quote] I believe your first statement. However, unlike your sentiment about me, you do [u]matter[/u] to me. As to your second statement, I'll believe when you offer some substance. At the moment it appears that you are just defending your own opinions. [/quote] Women are to be quiet in church, you're denyng that? Men are to be the leader of the family, you're denying that? [/quote] At the moment I'm most concerned that you think some people should mean nothing. I find that frightening and disturbing. Do you not? [/quote] I get it, you're a woman. Find a husband. [/quote] Another conclusion of yours that's false. Three for three. Perhaps you can see why your posts don't hold a lot of credibility for me. But I really do believe that one thing you said, that I mean [u]nothing[/u] to you. [/quote] Maybe you're gay. Can't think of a good reason why anyone would willingly deny the teachings of christianity just so he can elevate women into a position they don't want and are not made for. [/quote] Four out of four conclusions false. But of course, I mean nothing to you, so I think I won't give you an opportunity for a fifth failure. Perhaps the people who taught you the doctrines you are promoting can help you out with the worth of all people. I may mean nothing to you, but fortunately Jesus sees it differently. Blessings. :hf: [/quote] If you think Jesus accepts the denying of holy scripture you're in for a rude awakening. [/quote] Son, I've put you on my prayer list. And that's because you really do matter to me. I am praying that soon you will get to really [u]know[/u] Jesus, one-on-one, and begin to really [u]follow[/u] Him. Blessings. [/quote] You're not a christian if you don't follow the teachings of the holy scripture. [/quote] Please, please, please review my posts in this thread and even elsewhere on GLP and POST where I've not "followed the teachings of the holy scripture." One will be sufficient. Thank you. [/quote] You're denying that women are to be quiet in church, by claiming these are 1st century scriptures not the holy word of god: [quote:Life and Love:MV8yMDkzNTA1XzM1MjQ2OTU0XzY0QjE0REE1] [quote:Anonymous Coward 30795247:MV8yMDkzNTA1XzM1MjQ2OTE3Xzk5RDREOTFC] Women are to be quiet in church. For example. [/quote] (We need to read these passages with 1st century eyes.) [/quote] [/quote] So we shouldn't read scripture with 1st century eyes? OP, maybe I don't understand you. Which church do you attend? [/quote] I'm traditional catholic. [/quote] And traditional catholicism teaches that people don't matter? So when you go to Mass tonight, not a single woman will speak a word of conversation to anyone else? [/quote] They certainly don't preach. Which is [b]how the church[/b] always understood this passage. [/quote] And by "church" you are meaning the Catholic church, right? I think I am beginning to understand. [/quote] Good. [/quote] I'm glad we continued the conversation. Now I can make a definitive statement based on knowledge: There are probably several doctrines of the Catholic church with which I would disagree and not take part in. However, unlike a lot of others on GLP, I will never bash or make fun of them. [/quote]
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they are referred to as "the women" in the book of acts... plus mary the mother...
imagine being told, surrounded by a society dominated by men, that you are their equals.. both mentally and spiritually...you are given access to the indwelling spirit of the father and compelled to teach others about this message of love and equality.
This is what these women did
yet generations later.. this equality was lost..and patriarchal reign occurred almost instantly after jesus was crucified...
most people at the time just couldn't comprehend this about women...
so if the bible is gods book, why is there no emphasis on the divine feminine and also these groups of apostles who also taught.. WHO DID NOT ABANDON JESUS , who stated at his side...
hm...
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