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I used to believe in a pre-tribulation rapture until i watched this video
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[quote:Stoned Prophet:MV8yMDk1Mjc1XzM1MzAxODY2X0ZFMUQ3Qjcw] [quote:No Dhimmi:MV8yMDk1Mjc1XzM1MzAxNDMyXzhEMURCMjQ4] 2 Thessalonians 2 1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. No Temple Yet = No Tribulation Paul makes it clear he is talking about “the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together to Him” (2:1). He says, “let no one in anyway deceive you” (2:3). Paul says two things must happen before “the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together to Him”. 1. Apostasy or falling away (2:3). We see this happening at least in part today. Much of the church is drifting away from the fundamentals of the faith. 2. The man of sin or lawlessness must be revealed (2:3-5). He will oppose God to the place of sitting in the temple of God displaying himself as being God. Read also Daniel 9:24-27 and Matthew 24:15. Both of these things must take place before Jesus returns for His church. This makes it abundantly clear that Jesus’ return for us cannot happen until sometime after the Antichrist sits in the temple demanding worship and claiming to be God. Revelation 20 1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. 4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [b]I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. [/b] 5[b]But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.[/b] First Resurrection includes the rapture. (Dead In Christ) And this includes Tribulation Saints. [/quote] Good Points. Here are some more: Hebrews 9:27 [i]And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:[/i] For the UNLUCKY few left at the Lord's coming: Rev 14:13 [i]And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, [b]Blessed are the dead [/b]which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.[/i] Death is when your spirit leaves your body. In order for "raptured" Christian's to get a new incorruptible body their spirit has to leave the old corrupt body. They die too, except they go straight into a new body. Still they die. So this whole rapture doctrine thing is a non issue and not worth discussing because there is no crown for being raptured. Funny thing is even though the rapturetards are wrong scripturally, they do glorify the Lord and He is sending the angel of Death in the 4th seal to take them home to Heaven first. He is good and will not subject his people to His wrath. I can also tell them "roughly" about when they will be "raptured" but they hate the words "angel of Death" and will not believe me. [/quote]
They bust and break down the pre-tribulation rapture with the word of god! It is long but take the time to watch the video.
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