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[quote:Anonymous Coward 22379963:MV8yMTA0MzEyXzM1NDYyMTY0X0M0QzUyQjVE] [quote:Anonymous Coward 26851286:MV8yMTA0MzEyXzM1NDYyMDM1X0NGNzc4NUI5] [quote:Aluna:MV8yMTA0MzEyXzM1NDYyMDIyXzQ4MDgyMTVC] [quote:Anonymous Coward 26851286:MV8yMTA0MzEyXzM1NDYxOTcwX0M2MTUyMDUz] SO again, how would one bypass suffering in an inescapable torturous environment? [/quote] You have to understand first that we aren't living in an inescapable torturous environment...it's an ability...you have to learn to see ways thru obstacles that don't necessarily exist anywhere except in your own mind. [/quote] But the example environment is a literal one - guantanamo bay. [/quote] Well...my only experience of guantanamo bay was of blue waters and beautiful sun but I'm assuming you're meaning is of prisoner torture and abuse. And that kind of environment isn't inescapable...I mean I get your question...but the mind is capable of more than most give it credit for...most people just don't utilize it to it's potential. The human body is capable of amazing feats of physical abuse...and can recover...the mind is where we survive stuff like that though...and thru a reconciliation process we can either use or not we can survive anything without the emotional scarring that would eventually exist when we ignore where we are (escape reality). The topic of suffering, though important, is better understood when you know yourself and how you process outside influences like others actions toward you etc... Knowing you are not a puppet is I guess like a first step... So rather than debate suffering...I'd prefer to focus on the original intent of my post... Knowing self... [/quote]
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