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So It Begins: Turkey Warns Greece Against Oil Exploration In The Aegean, Turkish experts accuse Greece of illegally snatching 16 islands
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[quote:ASV 28551212:MV8yMTA0NzE4XzM1NDg3NTc2X0E4MTMzNjA5] [quote:Anonymous Coward 31745997:MV8yMTA0NzE4XzM1NDg3NDY3X0M3Q0Q1REU5] [quote:ASV 28551212:MV8yMTA0NzE4XzM1NDg3NDQ0XzZDRjI2RUQx] [quote:Swinburnian:MV8yMTA0NzE4XzM1NDg3MzI5XzQxNTZBMzZG] [quote:Anonymous Coward 31745997:MV8yMTA0NzE4XzM1NDg3Mjc3X0RBNUIxMDFB] [quote:Swinburnian:MV8yMTA0NzE4XzM1NDg3MjM4XzJFODhDODhG] [quote:Anonymous Coward 31745997:MV8yMTA0NzE4XzM1NDg3MTE2X0Y5NDAzOTUz] [quote:ASV 28551212:MV8yMTA0NzE4XzM1NDg3MDc2X0FFRDhGNEUy] [quote:insertfunnyusername:MV8yMTA0NzE4XzM1NDg0ODY2X0FCNjUzQkY1] [quote:Anonymous Coward 23227784:MV8yMTA0NzE4XzM1NDgyNjc1XzQ4MjI5RDg=] It is somewhat surprising that very little effort is being undertaken to understand the position of the Turks who rightly view a Greek, Cypres & Israeli EEZ as forming an economic blockade of Turkey and given that their largest city Istambul is also the economic nerve center of Turkey (Greek + Cypres EEZ would mean no more international waters from which maritime traffic can access Turkish waters) their aggressive nature towards Greece is understandable. Yet instead all we hear about Turkey from Greece (who is also in trouble with the EU for lying through their teeth)is "Turkey did this & Turkey did that" & now as the Turkish economy improves and expands all we hear about from Greece, Iran & Israel is "OMG look look Turkey is trying to rebuild the Ottoman empire, they built rubber boats!!!" when in reality the Turks have no clue about how to end the Kurdish insurgency so forget about rebuilding an empire of conquest lmfao. For those who want to see the Greek mindset and how they view the rest of us with disdain and contempt go visit Defencenet.gr where Greeks feeling comfortable in the security of talking in their language think that they are perfectly safe (from discovery) to insult, call names and dream of dismembering all their neighbor nations (well they kinda like Bulgaria and openly suck up to the Ruskies) but everyone else including the USA they utterly hate lolololol European first class citizens they are not! :tounge: [/quote] The position of Turkey is understandable, it's against their interests such a thing to happen, but it's against intl. law too, dunno how more simple than this it can get for some of you to understand this tbh. Aggressiveness is against intl. law too but we kinda used to that too. No one is telling Turkey what do with their rights in Bosporus or the Black Sea, this is about the resources which Turkey as big country and big regional player completely lacks and desperately needs, so lets focus on the real reasons of this please. As for Greece-EU trouble, i think you got it wrong a bit, IMF and the markets that are now completely govern this place will use Greece to get back to Turkey for the way they been kicked out of the country 10 years back. Defencenet is not a credible website for the Greeks that know a thing or two mate, it's a complete joke and it certainly doesn't accurately portray the mindset of the average Greek, i read Turkish websites with weird comments daily too but this doesn't mean that i'm forming my opinion for the Turkish populace by the flaming comments i read and believe me i read a lot of weird things too, chickenhawks exist in all places and countries but they certainly don't represent a whole nation. I can reassure you that no one in the right mindset wants war here in Greece and from chats i have with itk Turks i know that the majority of them doesn't want war either, intelligent persons from both countries know that this is a setup. Greek vs Turkish anti-USA and anti-jewish sentiments are not comparable btw. Dunno what to tell you about the EU first class citizens part tbh, can't see the relevance of this in the conversation. [/quote] 1) While the "position" of Turkey is understandable -- to the extent that inherently childish if blood-thirsty Islamists conduct is ever truly rational... it is certainly NOT acceptable. Not by Greece, Cyprus, not by US/NATO, certainly not by Israel ---> even Turkey's former buddies Iran & Syria are increadinglt pissed off at it. No wonder, Erdogan & Davotoglu rode Ataturk/Western/Secular coat-tales & suddenly they think they're some kind of geo-strategic, neo-Ottoman geniuses???? LOL, even economically speaking, without billions in (temporary) investments & credits from Riyadh, Doha and Qatar, Turkish bubble would pop so fast like you wouldn't believe! 2) Gas & oil. Israel for decades had no natural resources, and despite being a tiny, massively outnumbered country, despite all the political/economic wars & unremitting terror attempts it internally... somehow it not just survived but flourished & made the formerly swampy, malaria-stricken, desolate desert bloom in very short period of time, historicall speaking. Now, Israel has discovered oil & gas, both off-shore and shale... great. So if Turkey thinks somehow it's entitled to muscle into the game literally 100's of kilometers beyond its shores, it's got another thing coming. Mavi Marmara, Palmer Report, etc should have taught them a lesson, but I guess it didn't. 3) Russia. Its mafia & business have significant presence in Cyprus and Russia is also warming up ties with Israel -- which is a smart thing, especially since Arab "Spring" has shown that you can never rely on Muslims stability or peace... Do you think for ONE moment Russia will allow Turkey to bully its interests in the region? After all that trouble Turkey helped cause in the Caucuses, as someone else mentioned? If Turkey doesn't stop fucking around, it would be better idea if Turkey leave NATO and Russia eventually join (post-Putin, probably). [/quote] Why is anyone of that an americans business? Can't keep your noses out of other parts of the world? [/quote] what a pointless question. you may not like the US being a world power, but surely you're not so stupid as not to have noticed that it is one. [/quote] He thinks Israel was swampy and malaria stricken before the Jews cultivated it. [/quote] funny you should say say that. my grandfather served with the british army in palestine in the first world war -- and contracted malaria there. [/quote] No worries, you're arguing with a Muslim-Marxist propaganda loser who tries re-write history wholesale. When in truth, it doesn't take a Mark Twain to know that, "Palestine" was a desolate, swampy, malaria shithole with occasional Bedouin tribe here and there fighting for water-wells, poisoning their rivals, killing & enslaving their wives, etc... Real "romantic" nomadic sh!t, in other words. Notice how the "flagless fag" side-stepped all the other points and conentrated in my post on the Joos. To hear them re-tell it, it was Muslim created Tel Aviv Sillicon Valley, then colonial "Europeans" came along and stole their Muslim high-tech, their desalination-plans, their ICBM laucnhers & off-shore oil-rigs... LOL, I swear it's like Pavlov's doggies, every single one of them, every single time! [/quote] Israel get 15-30 billion every year from American taxpayers. How about that? [/quote] False. Investments in Israel are of sustainable, "true" kind and are earned by the countries remarkable rise out of desert, swamps and the Holocaust, doing a lot with initially very little, starting from scratch, recovering fro all the wars & terror waged against it... so investors thank it for being resilient & inventive, duh! Apples and oranges, in other words... Silly troll, when you will you learn, like, anything? LOL The couple of billions of US Military Aid they DO get a) is mostly contractually obligated to be spent INSIDE the U.S, thus creating American jobs b) is off-set by reciprocal technology transfers & other joint projects that benefit the US significantly in the long-run c) gives America a "buy-in" at the table of Israeli governmental & military decision-making, it allows US to even interfere in Israeli elections as was the case in both early and late 1990s... It's a form of a bribe to keep Israel in line -- in other words, so that they don't crush Arab armies TOO BADLY in the next conflict, thus creating regional chaos, humiliating America's oil-rich Muslim allies, wink-wink, and throwing the global economy into Depresson --- which would cost America & the West TRILLIONS of dollars. So with respect to Israel's support, basically America is being billion dollar foolish, but [b]trillion[/b]-dollar wise. Smart bet, that :) [/quote]
Greek govt government seems to have decided to submit coordinates for the outer limits of the Greek continental shelf to the United Nations in the first months of 2013. On June 9th 1995, the Turkish parliament officially declared that unilateral action by Greece would constitute a casus belli.
link to translate.google.gr
link to www.tovima.gr
Davutoglu Warns Greece Against Oil exploration In The Aegean
link to www.trtarabic.com
Turkey closely following any Greek maneuver in Aegean disputes
link to www.todayszaman.com
16 islands snatched by Greece due to Turkey's negligence, experts claim. In the Aegean and the Mediterranean, there are 152 islands and islets of which the ownership is controversial
link to www.todayszaman.com
Norwegian company PGS is already conducting offshore seismic tests in Greek seas. License round is expected to take place in 2014.
link to www.pgs.com
More about the Aegean dispute
link to en.wikipedia.org
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