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[quote:ClydeX:MV8yMTEwMzU4XzM1NTgzMzQ4X0NBNUNCMzkw] [quote:Anonymous Coward 1589374:MV8yMTEwMzU4XzM1NTgxMjI4XzM3Q0RCNkFB] [quote:ClydeX:MV8yMTEwMzU4XzM1NTgxMDMyX0NEODdCQTlC] [quote:Anonymous Coward 1589374:MV8yMTEwMzU4XzM1NTgwOTY2X0YwRDYyRA==] Clyde X Regulated means that we all abide by rules. Since these are rights we are protecting, I would imagine any rational human being would only act in self-defense. Yes? Therefore, a well regulated militia would be one that all sees murder as wrong and self defense as right. Yes? [/quote] Murder is always wrong - and there was absolutely no connotation to such in what I wrote. "A well regulated militia" does absolutely and unequivocally mean familiar/ skilled, otherwise they would be failing in their accepted responsibilities as "militia". Where did this question even come from? How would you or anyone else see justification of murder in the 2nd Amendment? [/quote] You misunderstand me. If you give rise to the idea that no one but trained soldiers have the right to a weapon, the 2nd amendment is gone. 'We The People' have the right to defend ourselves with a gun. This is indisputable. It is about an individual right, not a collective one. This is an individual right. We were not meant to be part of some citizen army. Our right to self defense was the meaning. [/quote] My sincere apologies - yes, I did misunderstand your question. Maybe with all of the conflict that tends to walk into these threads I presumed there was a set up in there somewhere. Again - my apologies. The 2nd Amendment definitely does not convey that only "trained soldiers" should have the right for a weapon - if "trained soldiers" refers to only those who served in a Combat Arms position of the current military. Conversely, I emphatically believe that it stipulates that each and every American citizen not only has the right, but also the moral, ethical, and social responsibility and obligation to possess weapons, as well as be proficient in their use, while being ready and prepared to defend their property, village/ town, county, state, or even the country. This, in my personal opinion, is the greatest overlooked part of the 2nd Amendment. Just as the Bible conveys to Christians that no one owns us, and directs us that we are to study, listen, and prepare while teaching others; the 2nd Amendment conveys the same to the citizenry. The Founding Fathers knew that this step was crucial in the very security and ultimate success of the nation, and conveyed an associated responsibility to each citizen - more of a responsibility of ownership. Ownership of not only the weapons specifically, but also in the fulfillment of the citizenry's responsibilities of ownership of the nation, as this belief has its roots in the ideology that no specific person or group of persons would "own" the United States of America. Today, however, the citizenry at large cares nothing of ownership of this country -since that means taking on the responsibility associated with such, but have become much more comfortable being owned - but that's another rant for another thread. [/quote]
Today this gun thing got real for me.
I was in PA today and went to BPS and Cabela. I was stunned.
At BPS they were almost totally sold out of ALL handguns. CASES and CASES were totally empty. GONE. They were totally out of 9mm, 357 ammo and just about everything else. I took pictures but since there's people in them I'm not going to post them. Staff says they can't get anything else at this point, their suppliers are out. There was a sizable crowd scanning the empty cases and shelves. Salespeople I talked to said they are convinced that if anyone tries to take weapons from Americans there's going to be a civil war. They said they're seeing people who used to be anti-gun want to get one because they're afraid of what they think is happening.
Later, I stopped at Cabelas. This place is right off the highway and very visible from a distance. The crowd there was even bigger. They still had a few --
--handguns but nothing left that was a carry piece, imo. I'm sure they were depleted of the little they had by the end of the day. As for ammo, they were limiting to 10 box max. There was almost nothing left.
i'm finding it hard to convey how real all seems to be becoming.
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