Users Online Now:
GLP Poker Rooms
Donate To GLP
Back to Forum
Back to Thread
REPLY TO THREAD
Why God must exist
Ms Sans Serif
In accordance with industry accepted best practices we ask that users limit their copy / paste of copyrighted material to the relevant portions of the article you wish to discuss and no more than 50% of the source material, provide a link back to the original article and provide your original comments / criticism in your post with the article.
[quote:Amilius:MV8yMTIxNTQyXzM1NzkzMjI4Xzc1MEFFMDJE] [quote:Anonymous Coward 8685274:MV8yMTIxNTQyXzM1NzkyOTU2XzY5MUFEMzY5] [quote:Amilius:MV8yMTIxNTQyXzM1NzkyNzUzXzEzRUUwQUVD] [quote:Anonymous Coward 8685274:MV8yMTIxNTQyXzM1NzkyNjg5XzQ3NTdGNzg4] This is the same old argument (the most popular) repackaged. I observe x, x is strange and I cannot find a logical explanation (yet), therefore god exists. X is the apparent fine-tuning of the universe. All we know for certain is that the universe is fine tuned for life as we know it. I'd like to offer a counter argument. This counter argument applies to your argument's many faces, including; (1)look at the beauty of the universe, therefore god exists. (2)How could something exist? Why not nothing? Therefore god exists. (3)Living things appear designed, therefore god exists. etc Thinking of how complex and perfect our universe appears, wouldn't the designer have to be even more complex and perfect? This explanation you propose, god existing, is actually giving you an even larger problem to explain. Instead of taking the position that we simply don't know how the universe came to be this way, you have to accept that you simply cannot explain how something more complex (god) came into existence. So, I have to accept that I cannot explain how the universe came to be. You have to accept that you cannot explain how god came to be. This is arguably an even greater problem than I have, and it essentially STILL doesn't fundamentally explain anything. [/quote] This argument says a being that has all the qualities of a god, which therefore is a god, must exist. How did God came to be? God is the first cause therefore has always existed. Since there was no time before the universe began, God therefore must be above time too. SOMEONE DESIGNED OUR UNIVERSE. IT COULDN'T HAVE COME OUT OF CHANCE. Such a being has such powers we could call it God. [/quote] With all due respect, I don't think you addressed my counter argument. Claiming that god is "outside" of time does not explain anything about how god came to be. If you accept that a god could exist, and it does not bother you that you cannot explain how god came to be, why is it so hard for you to accept that the universe simply exists and we cannot explain how it came to be? [/quote] My answer is since God is the first cause GOD HAS ALWAYS EXISTED. The universe, though, came to exist. How is not known by modern science. [/quote]
The fine tuning argument says there must have been a god. It was said that if the universe has had a change by 1 in 10^100 the universe wouldn't exist or would not be habitable for life. Roger Penrose who is a British mathematician said the chance of our universe to be coming to exist and being able to have life is 1 in 10^10^123. So in order for the universe to exist and be so finely tuned there must have been an incorporeal first cause that is omniscient, omnipresent, omnibenevolent and omnipotent. Those are the characteristics of a god.
Pictures (click to insert)
Big Round Smilies
Aliens and Space
Friendship & Love
Misc Small Smilies
View All Categories
Next Page >>
Researcher Finds Link Between Bankers & Wikileaks Affiliates Murders
Google/Amazon To "Echo" Everything & Everyone In Your Home To NSA
Scientists Discover New Lenses That Can See Invisible Entities
DEVELOPING: ‘Solar Winds’ Spur Geomagnetic Storm That May Affect Power
Awakened Humanity Awaits Fully Scripted Ending As Controversial Election Day Nears
WIKILEAKS : Hillary Camp Discusses Blaming Vengeful "Benghazi Republicans" For Hillary Email Scandal
A WARNING TO THE VOTERS OF THE UNITED STATES DO NOT VOTE FOR HILLARY CLINTON
$340 billion per year in US healthcare costs linked to chemicals found in plastic, detergents, cosmetics and toys
Election outcome scenarios reveal 95% chance of widespread post-election violence... streets of America to run red with blood
Leaked emails expose Coca-Cola's political strategy: a propaganda front against public health and soda taxes
No vaccine needed: Many children have become resistant to the effects of HIV through natural immunity
Over 1 million Americans to become uninsured as Obamacare collapse accelerates
Soylent food bars 'proudly made with GMOs' causing stomach problems, vomiting and diarrhea
Obamacare premiums skyrocket by double-digits as economically traumatized Americans scream ENOUGH!
They compromised the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES HIS FULL SCHEDULE AND LOCATIONS
Eric Braverman just asked for asylum from russia!!
Meet The Man Who Can Expose "The Real Hillary Clinton Scandal"
Leaked Email Reveals Sady Doyle, Other Liberal Bloggers Coordinated with Clinton Campaign on Sanders Hits
What The WikiLeaks Emails Reveal About Branding Hillary
WikiLeaks poisons Hillary’s relationship with left: After learning how Clinton feels about them, liberals vow to push back against her
WikiLeaks emails show Clinton and advisers calling liberal heroes “puritanical,” “pompous,” “naive” and “dumb”
Preparing for Post-Election Social Unrest
Fleet of Android Robots to Begin Policing the Streets by 2017
Exposed Viral Hoaxes Prove How Easy it is to Dupe the World with Disinfo
In an Oligarchy, Voting is a Tool to Manufacture the Illusion of Consent
Disclaimer / Copyright Info
with questions or comments about this site.
"Godlike Productions" & "GLP" are registered trademarks of Zero Point Ltd. Godlike™
Website Design Copyright © 1999 - 2015 Godlikeproductions.com
Page generated in 0.005s (5 queries)