Users Online Now:
GLP Poker Rooms
GiveMeGossip.com - Gossip Forum
Donate To GLP
Back to Forum
Back to Thread
REPLY TO THREAD
Why God must exist
Ms Sans Serif
In accordance with industry accepted best practices we ask that users limit their copy / paste of copyrighted material to the relevant portions of the article you wish to discuss and no more than 50% of the source material, provide a link back to the original article and provide your original comments / criticism in your post with the article.
[quote:Anonymous Coward 8685274:MV8yMTIxNTQyXzM1Nzk1MDk5X0M3MTY4MkMy] [quote:Anonymous Coward 33154487:MV8yMTIxNTQyXzM1Nzk0OTY5X0Y3RTNDMkU3] [quote:Anonymous Coward 8685274:MV8yMTIxNTQyXzM1NzkyNjg5XzQ3NTdGNzg4] This is the same old argument (the most popular) repackaged. I observe x, x is strange and I cannot find a logical explanation (yet), therefore god exists. X is the apparent fine-tuning of the universe. All we know for certain is that the universe is fine tuned for life as we know it. I'd like to offer a counter argument. This counter argument applies to your argument's many faces, including; (1)look at the beauty of the universe, therefore god exists. (2)How could something exist? Why not nothing? Therefore god exists. (3)Living things appear designed, therefore god exists. etc Thinking of how complex and perfect our universe appears, wouldn't the designer have to be even more complex and perfect? This explanation you propose, god existing, is actually giving you an even larger problem to explain. Instead of taking the position that we simply don't know how the universe came to be this way, you have to accept that you simply cannot explain how something more complex (god) came into existence. So, I have to accept that I cannot explain how the universe came to be. You have to accept that you cannot explain how god came to be. This is arguably an even greater problem than I have, and it essentially STILL doesn't fundamentally explain anything. [/quote] Asking this question poses the problem of infinite regress; it is explained here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4AHFBft2L8 [/quote] I don't believe infinite regress addresses my argument based on the fact that I am not saying a god exists only if you can explain who created him, and who created the creator's creator etc. I am saying that attributing the property of being outside of time to god as a cheap way of avoiding explaining his existence means that you can also attribute this to the universe itself, thus avoiding the need to explain how it got here. I am atheist and don't engage in assumptions about the universe (or god) without evidence, but the OP seems to have no problem with this. I am just asking why he/she specifically cannot imagine the universe being outside of time. [/quote]
The fine tuning argument says there must have been a god. It was said that if the universe has had a change by 1 in 10^100 the universe wouldn't exist or would not be habitable for life. Roger Penrose who is a British mathematician said the chance of our universe to be coming to exist and being able to have life is 1 in 10^10^123. So in order for the universe to exist and be so finely tuned there must have been an incorporeal first cause that is omniscient, omnipresent, omnibenevolent and omnipotent. Those are the characteristics of a god.
Pictures (click to insert)
Big Round Smilies
Aliens and Space
Friendship & Love
Misc Small Smilies
View All Categories
Next Page >>
Secrets Of The Sun: Facts We Are Not Being Told
Walmart ‘Plumbing’ Issue Related To DHS Underground Tunnel Network: “This Is A Very Real Situation” (video)
Documents: National Guard Ordered To Consider Americans As 'Enemy Forces' And 'Adversaries'
Video: Armed National Guard Troops Patrol Residential Streets in California
New Japanese beer claims to have anti-aging properties
California’s Foster Care System Doles Out A Shocking Amount Of Drugs
NLRB May Gut ‘Right to Work’ Laws
Obama’s White House Opens All Gender Restroom To Support Radical LGBTQ Agenda
Mysterious Blob In Pacific Ocean Is Fukushima Death And It’s Coming For Us All!
Dying Senior Scientist Shares Insider Truth About Area 51, Extraterrestrials,UFO’s & Anti-Gravity
The Elites Are Feverishly Preparing For Something Big
Researchers believe a biological revolution enabling humans to experience everlasting youthfulness..
Want to Record The Cops? Know Your Rights
Get Vaccinated or Lose Your Medicaid?
Expert Says “Banning Cash” The Only Solution to Negative Interest Market Problems
US transfer of internet control stalled
US Military working to build sensors that never die, enabling persistent surveillance in remote places
Have you heard ‘the hum’? Mystery of Earth’s low droning noise could now be solved
PRISON LABOR COMPANY FEATURES PROMO VIDEO TOUTING “BEST-KEPT SECRET IN OUTSOURCING”
Yuck! More Soylent Green! - Japan scientist synthesizes meat from human feces
3rd Graders Rejected From Class Trip Due To Race
BOMBSHELL: Major New Book Exposes Stunning Act of Fraud That Got Obama Elected
State Department Spending $45,000 to Train Video Bloggers in India Five ‘vlogging’ workshops
Live from the George Soros Secret Donor Retreat
Monsanto Admits There’s A Whole Department Dedicated To Discrediting Anti-GMO Experts
Disclaimer / Copyright Info
with questions or comments about this site.
"Godlike Productions" & "GLP" are registered trademarks of Zero Point Ltd. Godlike™
Website Design Copyright © 1999 - 2015 Godlikeproductions.com
Page generated in 0.006s (5 queries)