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[quote:Don'tBeAfraid:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1OTIxNjA1XzZDNDk3MERB] [quote:Anonymous Coward 33674751:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1OTIxMzgyXzNDM0ZBRDlB] [quote:Don'tBeAfraid:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1OTIxMjM2X0Q5NjREQTdG] [quote:Anonymous Coward 33674751:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1OTE5NzA0Xzk4OTg3ODQ0] At least they are somewhat interesting and original. The religious threads all say the exact same thing and whenever one of those nuts tries to prove something, they type out some quote from their stupid, fucking book. It's truly mind numbing. They have zero debate skills, they certainly don't have any facts, and when you paint them into a corner, you get this. :lala: I've fucking had it with those people. [/quote] Where are the facts of this intellectually superior mind? No facts, only subjective opinion. [/quote] I don't need facts, only one fact. That you have zero facts. /"debate" [/quote] You haven't presented one fact, and you haven't stated anything really except blather. Look through all of your posts, there's nothing whatsoever that proves that God doesn't exist. You can produce no fact of the absence of God. I can't either. If you go back and actually have the courtesy of reading my posts which were quite balanced at first and not the ridiculous contradictions between us, then it was a rational attempt at dialogue as dialectic, not debate. Debates are weak attempts to persuade by language and bring in facts, but in the absence of facts, bringing in theories, and then bringing in philosophical proofs. So far you have not presented anything close to either debate or dialectic, only your pejorative ridden complaints about Christians. You probably get away with that most of the time, and you may feel entirely justified about it, but you're not proving anything so far. Now me, I'm not big on reason as a means of finding God. I'm more relational because spirituality is not solely based [b]upon Reason but also Faith[/b]. I cannot make you believe anything, nor want you to because of Free Will. What I would rather do is help the suffering, and possibly if they were interested then share my faith. That's how people have grown the Church of Jesus Christ into a billion people. To discount it flat out with lame scatological humor is not what intellectuals do. That's what children do. Even if it's not true to you, it is true to a billion people. I would never label another religion in such terms, nor stereotype any group of people in such a way. It's absurd and anti-intellectual. [/quote]
Let's get right to it.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is real.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is NOT real.
All arguments are moot without assuming a "given".
How can I say all this with certainty?
BECAUSE NO ONE CAN PROVE THAT THEY'RE NOT DREAMING RIGHT NOW, with fabricated memories and all.
No matter what, FAITH is required just to participate in whatever you think is reality.
Both atheists and God-believers base their beliefs on FAITH in experiential data.
A true atheist "lacks a belief" and that is a perfectly honest position to hold. However, the rabid atheists who argue endlessly that "there is no God" are taking the same leap of faith that the proselytizing Christians are.
SO--is there a GOD?
My experiential data (a near-death experience that was seemingly as "real" as anything else I've experienced) says YES.
That's why I believe in God.
But I'd be a liar if I said that my NDE provides "proof"--even to myself. After all, my dreams are as "real" as anything even when I'm walking on the ceiling and lightsaber fighting and flying a MIG--all with a head full of outlandish memories.
So...all of you know-it-alls arguing FOR or AGAINST the concept of "God" need to
because your arguments ARE DEMONSTRABLY FLAWED.
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