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[quote:Don'tBeAfraid:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1OTIxODcyX0I3RjI1RUI0] Here's the complete fallacy of the atheist position. They often make claims of mental superiority from a position of Reason. Then they fail to deliver on a thesis and evidence of the absence of God. Then they resort to saying something like, "Well it doesn't matter, I win because you're a dope for deluding yourself..." Well, if I am right and a Supreme Being created not only the Earth but the vast Cosmos, and I believe and worship such a being, and also His Only Begotten Son Jesus Christ, and you don't, then you LOSE. If I serve the suffering with altruism and you don't, and there is no God, then I don't lose anything, but I gain by my experiences while you remain selfish. If I serve the suffering with altruism and you do too, and there is no God, then we both gain by our service, but neither us win after death. The win was the experience of altruism. If I serve the suffering with altruism and there is a God and you don't believe but did serve the suffering with altruism, then you might be allowed into Heaven.I doubt it based upon what the Bible teaches. You might win. I hope you do, and I'm rooting for you. There is zero downside to believing in God and Jesus. It's all on the upside. [/quote]
Let's get right to it.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is real.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is NOT real.
All arguments are moot without assuming a "given".
How can I say all this with certainty?
BECAUSE NO ONE CAN PROVE THAT THEY'RE NOT DREAMING RIGHT NOW, with fabricated memories and all.
No matter what, FAITH is required just to participate in whatever you think is reality.
Both atheists and God-believers base their beliefs on FAITH in experiential data.
A true atheist "lacks a belief" and that is a perfectly honest position to hold. However, the rabid atheists who argue endlessly that "there is no God" are taking the same leap of faith that the proselytizing Christians are.
SO--is there a GOD?
My experiential data (a near-death experience that was seemingly as "real" as anything else I've experienced) says YES.
That's why I believe in God.
But I'd be a liar if I said that my NDE provides "proof"--even to myself. After all, my dreams are as "real" as anything even when I'm walking on the ceiling and lightsaber fighting and flying a MIG--all with a head full of outlandish memories.
So...all of you know-it-alls arguing FOR or AGAINST the concept of "God" need to
because your arguments ARE DEMONSTRABLY FLAWED.
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