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Here are the [b]FACTS[/b]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaLaTMaKjdY[/youtube]
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Are you going to interject what you feel is a fact within that video? Or are you too lazy to try to debate?
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The entire video is the "facts" done professionally.

Try watching with a logical mind.
I don't need to say anything, all the evidense is in the video.
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Extremely lame. I post all kinds of personal statements, historical proofs by theologians and philosophers, speak to the defense of atheists and agnostics, discuss building a common dialogue around reason and the dialectic, act as an apologist for God,etc.

You made a post about two entertainer magicians....
HOO BOY
Complete abject failure.
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I'll double that FAIL flag. Good job having an original perspective from a TV show.
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And the televangelists you guys are so fond of linking videos to, who also do their own research, and are [b]ENTERTAINERS[/b] in their own right are more valid how?

I don't endorse Penn and Teller, but I have watched several episodes of their show Bullshit. While I don't always fall on their side of the argument, I must admit that they generally know what they are talking about when they open their mouths.
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Original Message Let's get right to it.

No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is real.

No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is NOT real.

All arguments are moot without assuming a "given".

How can I say all this with certainty?

BECAUSE NO ONE CAN PROVE THAT THEY'RE NOT DREAMING RIGHT NOW, with fabricated memories and all.

No matter what, FAITH is required just to participate in whatever you think is reality.

Both atheists and God-believers base their beliefs on FAITH in experiential data.

A true atheist "lacks a belief" and that is a perfectly honest position to hold. However, the rabid atheists who argue endlessly that "there is no God" are taking the same leap of faith that the proselytizing Christians are.

SO--is there a GOD?

My experiential data (a near-death experience that was seemingly as "real" as anything else I've experienced) says YES.

That's why I believe in God.

But I'd be a liar if I said that my NDE provides "proof"--even to myself. After all, my dreams are as "real" as anything even when I'm walking on the ceiling and lightsaber fighting and flying a MIG--all with a head full of outlandish memories.

So...all of you know-it-alls arguing FOR or AGAINST the concept of "God" need to

because your arguments ARE DEMONSTRABLY FLAWED.

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