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[quote:AgnosticDeity:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1OTI5MDMzXzZGM0VEMjcx] [quote:Anonymous Coward 17551129:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1OTI4ODcyX0NBRkExMTNF] [quote:Don'tBeAfraid:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1OTI4NjI1XzIzNzc1REQy] [quote:Anonymous Coward 17551129:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1OTI4NDI3X0NFRkRFODkw] [quote:Don'tBeAfraid:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1OTI4MjI3X0NBNzA5NDIy] [quote:Anonymous Coward 17551129:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1OTI4MDgwX0FEN0YzRDY1] [quote:Don'tBeAfraid:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1OTI3OTI3XzlFNDY2Qjk1] [quote:Anonymous Coward 17551129:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1OTI3NjY5XzE2Q0VDNEFC] [quote:Don'tBeAfraid:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1OTIyMTQ4XzYxNkU3MDA4] Gnostic thought has ZERO in common with Christianity. They're batting for the opposite team. Don't be fooled when they talk as if they're all about hidden knowledge in enlightenment. They really are being reverent to Lucifer, and hense worship Evil. It's a spiritual system based upon the opposite of Christianity. Their motto is "Do as though wilt...". There is no good or evil in that system. It is an abomination. [/quote] Lucifer is a made up part of the game, and it accounts for the crap the manipulators were going to pull off on this planet... The Christian thought; It is supernatural, nothing we can do about it... We have to wait until god, jesus takes care of the situation...Just be good, be re-born, don't sin anymore, be as little children, and you will be in heaven with me... Talk about diffusing any real resistance... Witches and Warlocks were burned at the stake for awakening to their nature... There is power in occult knowledge, and no, it is not evil in itself, it is neutral... The use of it lies with the holder, and it can be used for so-called evil, or so-called good, or balance purposes... The churches did not want this knowledge to spread, and dealt with the situation, in a matter of fact gruesome manner... In other words, the jig would have been up, if it was not contained... The thought is not, "do as though wilt"... The thought is "grow in spiritual knowledge", and take full responsibility for yourself... The true abomination, the true evil, is Christianity... [/quote] You know, people think of Islam as the enemy of Christendom. It's not really. The real enemy of the Gospel of Jesus Christ are Gnostics. People like you who worship evil throughout history but then deny that evil exists, you're the spawn of Lucifer himself. We are true enemies as far as I concerned, for your Master is the Beast who serial killers, rapists, child molesters, etc also worship. I'm always glad to shine on a light on Gnostics. You all worship the most vile being imaginable. [/quote] You can think whatever you like, and move in whatever direction you want...You are simply a part of the game of control on this planet, nothing more, and you have proven that point by your post... You are really clueless as to the nature of existence in this galaxy, and your spoon fed nonsence is getting very stale... [/quote] According to the statistics I've seen, there are perhaps 15,000 Gnostics worldwide. It's not even a proper religion, with only a handful of organized places of worship and leadership. Gnostic thought is a mishmash of practically a dozen religions. They purport to be true Christians but then there's no documents earlier than the Fifth century. They were a heretical cult that totally fabricated every aspect of Christianity. On GLP there are many Gnostic Christians who actually make crazy claims. Most have very bad red karma ratings for making those claims. Despite all the things you claim to believe, most of you worship Lucifer. On many Gnostic websites there are clear Satanic symbols. You are hopeless deluded and worshiping evil. I can think of no worse religion, or a more dangerous cult. [/quote] LOL... Now I really had to laugh at this one... When you know who is really behind christianity, and islam for that matter... The statement, that I am deluded and worshipping evil is very ironic... No, it is you, who are deluded and worshipping evil...Wolve's in sheeps clothing comes to mind... Btw, I really do not know what gnostic refers to... To me, it is all a bunch of labels, that means nothing... But, I can assure you, the last thing I would ever get involved in, is a group of any kind... All groups are infiltrated... It is go your own way... [/quote] You see folks, the Gnostics believe in one of the oldest heresies. They think that the god of the old testament is the demiurge. It has it's roots in Marcionism which can be dated to about 144 AD. [b]Gnostic documents date to the Fifth Century.[/b] Then they decided to mix in some Buddhism and declare that some people are Bodhisattvas. Then they decided to mix in some Luciferians who were doing there own thing but some decided to infiltrate the Gnostics. Then they hooked some the Alchemists, then Rosicrucians, then Illuminati, Free Masonry. Then they adopted New Age practices in the 20th Century and channeling. They've been around in force since the Fifth Century though. Because it's a mishmash, then one Gnostic can believe in practically whatever they want. It's not like anyone of their beliefs will criticize them. Of course they can't get away from their early beliefs in Lucifer and they totally re-wrote their version on the Bible. It probably would have died out, but there were a couple found during the medieval period of the Crusades as well as the 17th Century. Then in the modern era a cache was found at Nag Hammadi. It is very dangerous. It has nothing to do with Christianity, but they like to infiltrate any discussion of Christianity. They start by talking about the Gospel of Thomas, then usually Enoch. [/quote] See Bolded... Nope, beep, wrong... As I said before, you are clueless, about what is really taking place on this planet...You will never find it by researching religious material... It will lead you down many rabbit holes as intended, until you expire... Btw, you keep referring to me as gnostic, when I told you, I do not know what it means, and I DO NOT associate with any group... But, I get your drift - you do not like gnostics and wish to bash them... They probably feel the same about you... Ah endgame, it was never meant to go out peacefully!!! [/quote] Here is another wrong bit that i have added bold pront to. From Wikipedia The development of the Syrian-Egyptian school Bentley Layton has sketched out a relationship between the various gnostic movements in his introduction to The Gnostic Scriptures (SCM Press, London, 1987). In this model, "Classical Gnosticism" and "The School of Thomas" antedated and influenced the development of Valentinus, who was to found his own school of Gnosticism in both Alexandria and Rome, whom Layton called "the great [Gnostic] reformer" and "the focal point" of Gnostic development. While in Alexandria, where he was born, Valentinus probably would have had contact with the Gnostic teacher Basilides, and may have been influenced by him. Valentinianism flourished after the middle of the second century CE. This movement was named after its founder Valentinus (c. 100–180 AD/CE). The school is also known to have been extremely popular: several varieties of their central myth are known, and we know of "reports from outsiders from which the intellectual liveliness of the group is evident." It is known that Valentinus' students elaborated on his teachings and materials (though the exact extent of their changes remains unknown), for example, in the version of the Valentinian myth brought to us through Ptolemy. Valentinianism might be described as the most elaborate and philosophically "dense" form of the Syrian-Egyptian schools of Gnosticism, though it should be acknowledged that this in no way debarred other schools from attracting followers. Basilides' own school was popular also, and survived in Egypt until the 4th century. Simone Petrement, in A Separate God, in arguing for a Christian origin of Gnosticism, places Valentinus after Basilides, but before the Sethians. It is her assertion that Valentinus represented a moderation of the anti-Judaism of the earlier Hellenized teachers; the demiurge, widely regarded to be a mythological depiction of the Old Testament God of the Hebrews, is depicted as more ignorant than evil. To read more on this obscure sect visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism [/quote]
Let's get right to it.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is real.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is NOT real.
All arguments are moot without assuming a "given".
How can I say all this with certainty?
BECAUSE NO ONE CAN PROVE THAT THEY'RE NOT DREAMING RIGHT NOW, with fabricated memories and all.
No matter what, FAITH is required just to participate in whatever you think is reality.
Both atheists and God-believers base their beliefs on FAITH in experiential data.
A true atheist "lacks a belief" and that is a perfectly honest position to hold. However, the rabid atheists who argue endlessly that "there is no God" are taking the same leap of faith that the proselytizing Christians are.
SO--is there a GOD?
My experiential data (a near-death experience that was seemingly as "real" as anything else I've experienced) says YES.
That's why I believe in God.
But I'd be a liar if I said that my NDE provides "proof"--even to myself. After all, my dreams are as "real" as anything even when I'm walking on the ceiling and lightsaber fighting and flying a MIG--all with a head full of outlandish memories.
So...all of you know-it-alls arguing FOR or AGAINST the concept of "God" need to
because your arguments ARE DEMONSTRABLY FLAWED.
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