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[quote:Anonymous Coward 17551129:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1OTM2MjA4X0I1NDZCNUIy] DBA, you write eloquently, and would most likely be a good group leader... But, you have not climbed the spiritual ladder enough to recognise what this galaxies purpose, and what your participation in it, is all about... Using, a one god principle, does not really apply in the sense of what most people think... IMO, there is a prime source, and from this source, many leaves have sprung... This galaxy, is a duality by design experiential learning creation... It has creators who set this galaxy in motion, they are not your god's... They are one step in their progression, and at one time they also participated in a galaxy creation... That experience prompted their decision to be involved in galaxy creation, for the tremendous learning opportunity... Your soul, and no, it is not in the body, is a participant in this galaxy... It participates by projecting a stream from itself to animate your body... This is what religion would call - the holy spirit... This is an attempt by other players in this galaxy to bring you under the one god paradigm... Your spirit stream, and mine, are completely different, in terms of objectives, and path choices... True, at the beginning of galaxy participation, the objectives are very similar, but, eventually our unique differences has to shine through... It is monotheism, in a polytheistic galaxy... When you have advanced enough to recognise this, you live it...Going your own way, recognising group thought and coercion for what it is... Even the planetary soul is on it's own path... Different, in that it experiences in wave patterns, such as herd of animals, row of trees, school of fish, etc,. Where as, the soul who took the hu-man path experiences individually... This planet is unique, in that it has some very advanced souls on this planet, who are on their last leg of galaxy participation... This planet was designed for huge diversification in experiential patterns, where individuality is expressed and shines through... That, this planet has moved towards a one world concept, is counter to it's purpose... Signalling the end of the experiential process on this planet... Make no mistake, this is endgame... Those souls that are ready, will move on, out of the galaxy... Those that are not, will continue experiential lessons on another planet... You will never find this information in religious material, it has to come from within, and that will only happen, if your soul is on it's last leg... In the end, all is revealed... Harbouring ill feeling towards anyone, or group is not a spiritually advanced way... After all, it is an experiential learning process, and you will be on all sides of the fence many times... [/quote]
Let's get right to it.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is real.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is NOT real.
All arguments are moot without assuming a "given".
How can I say all this with certainty?
BECAUSE NO ONE CAN PROVE THAT THEY'RE NOT DREAMING RIGHT NOW, with fabricated memories and all.
No matter what, FAITH is required just to participate in whatever you think is reality.
Both atheists and God-believers base their beliefs on FAITH in experiential data.
A true atheist "lacks a belief" and that is a perfectly honest position to hold. However, the rabid atheists who argue endlessly that "there is no God" are taking the same leap of faith that the proselytizing Christians are.
SO--is there a GOD?
My experiential data (a near-death experience that was seemingly as "real" as anything else I've experienced) says YES.
That's why I believe in God.
But I'd be a liar if I said that my NDE provides "proof"--even to myself. After all, my dreams are as "real" as anything even when I'm walking on the ceiling and lightsaber fighting and flying a MIG--all with a head full of outlandish memories.
So...all of you know-it-alls arguing FOR or AGAINST the concept of "God" need to
because your arguments ARE DEMONSTRABLY FLAWED.
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